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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Vivitar 35mm f3.5 with Schneider Optic serial no. Reply with quote
MikeM wrote:
I recently bought this Vivtar 35mm f3.5 M42 lens on Ebay which was advertised as having a rare serial number ---- associated with Schneider Kreuznach. I have several SK lenses, but don't recall ever seeing a 35mm f3.5 by them. Does anyone recognize this lens?





I shot a photo of the brick wall right outside my front door to examine distortion, and increased softness in corners.




Any information you can share about the Schneider Kreuznach lenses made for Vivitar would be appreciated.

Mike


Early soligor preset lens ,I have a 28mm looks the same


PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
blotafton wrote:

Sounds too good not to try it!

I looked at your and others test on this thread http://forum.mflenses.com/4-short-macro-lenses-compared-surprising-results-t84178,start,25.html

The MD-III looked a little bit better at wide open but very similar at f/8


As I said before the big advantage of the MinAF 2.8/50mm Macro is its versatility, based on the double floating focusing system. Not only is the lens relatively fast, but it keeps its perfomance at infinity (always an issue with 50mm legacy macro lenses) AND can be focused down to 1:1.

Guess which one is the MD-III and which one the AF-I (both wide open; 100% crops from the corners of 43 MP A7RII JPGs):





S


Actually the Yashica ML 55mm f/2.8 macro performs really good at infinity in a test I did earlier, check topic http://forum.mflenses.com/4-short-macro-lenses-compared-surprising-results-t84178,start,25.html

Better corners than the Minolta AF, the Minolta better only @wide open in the center; probably because of (double) floating mechanism.

I think the Yashica is quite exceptional in this regard, being a 'simple' macro design.

I remember someone on the Yashica / Contax forum stating that the Yashica ML is better than the Contax Zeiss Planar 60mm macro, which may explain its short production run. Would be nice to do a comparison, but unfortunately I don't have the Planar.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Vivitar 35mm f3.5 with Schneider Optic serial no. Reply with quote
MikeM wrote:
I recently bought this Vivtar 35mm f3.5 M42 lens on Ebay which was advertised as having a rare serial number ---- associated with Schneider Kreuznach. I have several SK lenses, but don't recall ever seeing a 35mm f3.5 by them. Does anyone recognize this lens?





This lens is possibly made by Kawanon. What does the infinity marker on the focus scale look like? If it is marked in green paint, it's very likely Kawanon made. If my suspicion is correct, this is the lens that was actually a design they somehow 'inherited' from Kyoei. That lens is now used by enthusiasts for either IR or UV photography, I forget which, due to the cheaper glass types used that transmitted other wavelengths quite well (In film days UV light wasn't always welcome)


PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Vivitar 35mm f3.5 with Schneider Optic serial no. Reply with quote
MikeM wrote:
I recently bought this Vivtar 35mm f3.5 M42 lens on Ebay which was advertised as having a rare serial number ---- associated with Schneider Kreuznach. I have several SK lenses, but don't recall ever seeing a 35mm f3.5 by them. Does anyone recognize this lens?


Any information you can share about the Schneider Kreuznach lenses made for Vivitar would be appreciated.

Mike


Likely made by Tokina, like so many sixties and early seventies lenses for western import brands.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Picked up a relatively cheap SSC 50 1.4 today



But then when I got home I realized these 2 screws are missing... (and the thing that is supposed to be connected to the 2 screws)


I don't have a spare Canon FD, so I don't know what to do. Sell it again, or somehow find a way to fix it?


PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:19 pm    Post subject: Vivitar 35mm f3.5 with Schneider Opt Serial no Reply with quote
Alun -

I checked Ebay and indeed found a 35mm f3.5 lens by Kawonon that looks nearly identical to this Vivitar lenses. I also found a Spiratone 35mm F3.5 that also looked nearly identical. This leads me to wonder more about the 13xxxxx serial for Vivitar indicating that the lens was manufactured by Schneider Kreuznach? The following lookup list of Vivitar serial number prefixes indicates 13 = Schneider Kreuznach. Is it possible this lens predates the use of these prefix numbers?

http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Vivitar_serial_numbers#:~:text=Serial%20Number%20System,-The%20most%20common&text=Under%20this%20scheme%20the%20first,the%20week%20number%20of%20manufacture.

Serial Number Prefix Codes
09 (or 9) Cosina Company, Ltd.
13 Schneider Kreuznach
22 Kino Precision
25 Ozone Optical Co., Ltd.
28 Komine Co., Ltd.
32 Makina Optical Co., Ltd
33 Asanuma & Co., Ltd
37 Tokina Optical Company, Ltd
42 Bauer
47 Chinon Industries, Inc.
51 Tokyo Trading (possibly a corruption of Tokyo Koki, a Tokina predecessor)[4]
56 Kyoei Shoji Company, Ltd.
61 Samyang Optics Co., Ltd
75 Hoya Corporation
77 Kobori Mfg Co. Ltd
81 Polar

Any further comments will be appreciated.

Mike


PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Baekmann wrote:
Picked up a relatively cheap SSC 50 1.4 today



But then when I got home I realized these 2 screws are missing... (and the thing that is supposed to be connected to the 2 screws)


I don't have a spare Canon FD, so I don't know what to do. Sell it again, or somehow find a way to fix it?


Fix what? What doesn't work?


PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
visualopsins wrote:
Baekmann wrote:
Picked up a relatively cheap SSC 50 1.4 today

I don't have a spare Canon FD, so I don't know what to do. Sell it again, or somehow find a way to fix it?


Fix what? What doesn't work?


The aperture doesn't work (also not when adapted to a camera) I thought it had something to do with the 2 missing screws.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Vivitar 35mm f3.5 with Schneider Opt Serial no Reply with quote
MikeM wrote:
Alun -

I checked Ebay and indeed found a 35mm f3.5 lens by Kawonon that looks nearly identical to this Vivitar lenses. I also found a Spiratone 35mm F3.5 that also looked nearly identical. This leads me to wonder more about the 13xxxxx serial for Vivitar indicating that the lens was manufactured by Schneider Kreuznach? Is it possible this lens predates the use of these prefix numbers?

Mike


I think your last sentence hits the nail on the head. I believe Vivitar started using their serial number ID system around about 1967 or so. You can find some Vivitar brand Tokina made lenses from that era with either an 'H6' or '37' prefix for the exact same lens. I believe some '22' Kiron lenses are a similar example.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Vivitar 35mm f3.5 with Schneider Optic serial no. Reply with quote
kiddo wrote:
MikeM wrote:
I recently bought this Vivtar 35mm f3.5 M42 lens on Ebay which was advertised as having a rare serial number ---- associated with Schneider Kreuznach. I have several SK lenses, but don't recall ever seeing a 35mm f3.5 by them. Does anyone recognize this lens?





I shot a photo of the brick wall right outside my front door to examine distortion, and increased softness in corners.




Any information you can share about the Schneider Kreuznach lenses made for Vivitar would be appreciated.

Mike


Early soligor preset lens ,I have a 28mm looks the same



I agree with Alun, it's most likely a Kawanon. I have got - or had - a few lenses with that distinctive O<- ->C ring and they have been mainly Soligor, Hanimex, INA and a couple of other RETAILER brands, who sold lenses but didn't make them. Two Soligors I've had were H4**** Serial No's - Kawanon. But H Serial No's are usually found on Hanimex lenses, we might never know. But I doubt it's a 'rare Schneider Kreuznach' It might still be a nice lens though.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
#1


#2


This put a dent in my balance. A 1956 (introduction) Fujinon lens with a Miranda M44 mount, it was also available for L39 cameras. The front element is not perfect on this example. I haven't got my camera here right now so have not tested it yet.



This image of the optical arrangement (said to be a ernostar variant) was found on a Japanese language blog here: http://www.ksmt.com/eos10d/eos_nikki_body48.htm

Additionally, someone serviced the lens here: https://www.kitamura.jp/photo/repairer/2014/re1144.html


PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
WOW. A Fujinon lens with a Miranda M44 mount! Like 1 Congrats


PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alun Thomas wrote:
#1


I purchased this two piece Coligon (Taisei, model 340, 1960 introduction) 400mm F/5.6 lens a few weeks ago, it should be there when I arrive home next week. I usually don't post until the lens is in my hands these days (for good reason), but I also noticed this thread slipped off the front page of the forum, an entirely unacceptable state of affairs Smile




#1


#2


I received the lens today, it's in good condition. It's hard to tell, but I wonder if the front element may be almost concave. The lens looks to have had a more interesting life than me haha.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
[quote="Alun Thomas"]
Alun Thomas wrote:




I received the lens today, it's in good condition. It's hard to tell, but I wonder if the front element may be almost concave. The lens looks to have had a more interesting life than me haha.


Baggage tag reminds me of the old NWO commercials, with the crashing gong at the end of the spot.
Good luck with the lens, and be sure to show some photo's made with it.

-D.S.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alun Thomas wrote:
#1


This put a dent in my balance. A 1956 (introduction) Fujinon lens with a Miranda M44 mount, it was also available for L39 cameras. The front element is not perfect on this example. I haven't got my camera here right now so have not tested it yet.



This image of the optical arrangement (said to be a ernostar variant) was found on a Japanese language blog here: http://www.ksmt.com/eos10d/eos_nikki_body48.htm

Additionally, someone serviced the lens here: https://www.kitamura.jp/photo/repairer/2014/re1144.html


Very cool!


PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alun Thomas wrote:
#1


#2


This put a dent in my balance. A 1956 (introduction) Fujinon lens with a Miranda M44 mount, it was also available for L39 cameras. The front element is not perfect on this example. I haven't got my camera here right now so have not tested it yet.



This image of the optical arrangement (said to be a ernostar variant) was found on a Japanese language blog here: http://www.ksmt.com/eos10d/eos_nikki_body48.htm

Additionally, someone serviced the lens here: https://www.kitamura.jp/photo/repairer/2014/re1144.html


Really cool find, show us some images made with this lens later!


PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tamron SP 90mm f/2.5. Curious how it compares to the Tokina AT-X 90/2.5.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alun Thomas wrote:
#1


This put a dent in my balance. A 1956 (introduction) Fujinon lens with a Miranda M44 mount, it was also available for L39 cameras. The front element is not perfect on this example. I haven't got my camera here right now so have not tested it yet.



This image of the optical arrangement (said to be a ernostar variant) was found on a Japanese language blog here: http://www.ksmt.com/eos10d/eos_nikki_body48.htm

Additionally, someone serviced the lens here: https://www.kitamura.jp/photo/repairer/2014/re1144.html


Now that is a rare find.
I expect that the camera is in the collectable realm as well.
Would love to see some images with this.
Congratulations
Tom


PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
caspert79 wrote:
Tamron SP 90mm f/2.5. Curious how it compares to the Tokina AT-X 90/2.5.


I have become a bit of a Tamron fan over the past two years.

When you have a chance with the lens in hand, show us a photo or two of the lens, and some sample images.

-D.S.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doc Sharptail wrote:
caspert79 wrote:
Tamron SP 90mm f/2.5. Curious how it compares to the Tokina AT-X 90/2.5.


I have become a bit of a Tamron fan over the past two years.

When you have a chance with the lens in hand, show us a photo or two of the lens, and some sample images.

-D.S.


Will do. Actually I have two coming 😊, so I can select the best one.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alun Thomas wrote:
#1

This put a dent in my balance. A 1956 (introduction) Fujinon lens with a Miranda M44 mount, it was also available for L39 cameras. The front element is not perfect on this example. I haven't got my camera here right now so have not tested it yet.

This image of the optical arrangement (said to be a ernostar variant) was found on a Japanese language blog here: http://www.ksmt.com/eos10d/eos_nikki_body48.htm

Additionally, someone serviced the lens here: https://www.kitamura.jp/photo/repairer/2014/re1144.html


Very cool, and nice bit of history and documentation in the links. Rare items getting disassembled worth seeking out.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Kodak Cine Anastigmat 50mm 1.6 in S-Mount. In the brief time I have had it I could not find a serial number which leads me to suspect it is a pre-1940 lens, but I will check later to see if it is somewhere unusual for Kodak Cine lenses. This lens does not seem to vignette even at F=2.8 on my MFT camera which is better than all other Kodak Cine S-Mount lenses I have.


PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doc Sharptail wrote:
caspert79 wrote:
Tamron SP 90mm f/2.5. Curious how it compares to the Tokina AT-X 90/2.5.


I have become a bit of a Tamron fan over the past two years.

When you have a chance with the lens in hand, show us a photo or two of the lens, and some sample images.

-D.S.


The Tamron 2.5/90mm is an excellent and very versatile vintage MF lens. Sadly, my sample has some (minor) fogging in the front element, and I still have to find some information about how to dismantle & clean it properly.

It's very sharp wide open, and it has very liitle CAs. On 43 MP FF, the Tamron has as little lateral CAs as the excellent Minolta MD 4/100mm Macro (tested at infinity), and less CAs than the equally excellent (but faster) MD 2/85mm. All three lenses mentioned here have a similar resolution (again: infinity and 43 Mp FF).

S


PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mamiya Sekor E 4/300mm.

That's aother very rare Sekor E/EF lens. According to the lens section, it should have the same optical construction as the (less rare) Sekor CS 4/300mm - but as we have seen with the Sekor CS vs. EF 1.4/50mm and the Sekor CS vs. E 3.5/50mm Macro lenses, the CS and the E/EF version sometimes seem to be different optical constructions in spite of "identical" lens sections.

THe Sekor E 4/300mm lens has not yet arrived; I certainly am curiuous to get my hands on it, especially since I nearly got one about 40 years ago. Here in Switzerland, I have never seen another sample since, and even on ebay they are extremely rare.

S


PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sony SEL2870 OSS (ordinary Sony Sh**) Smile
I never had a native lens for the Alpha, and I just wanted to know what the camera can do with it. So the logical consequence was to look out for the cheapest Sony lens there is, and I got it for next to nothing, and you know what? It’s actually quite good.
I’m currently on vacation at a mountain lodge with my wife and friends. They like the images I take with the Alpha and all those beautiful Zuikos, Nikkors, Hexanons and whatever I don on the Alpha, but regard my art as something like witchcraft, and me as a great geek. Now, I put the Sony lens on the Alpha and give it to any one of them (in Auto Mode, just to be sure) and they’re able to make really cool pictures with it. Much better, as they suddenly realized, than the stuff they produce with their mobiles. Image Edge Mobile downloads it instantaneously to the phone, and it ends up on Facebook or wherever, and they are happy. Best purchase since quite some time, even if my vintage primes can do much better. Since I bought that lens, even my wife finds the Alpha interesting;-)
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