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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fandyus wrote:

Thinking of getting the Takumar 50mm f/4 instead. I just really want to know what it is like to use a proper macro lens. I'd get the Canon FDm 50mm f/3,5 but then I can't adopt it on my 6D.


The Takumar 50mm f/4 has a [4/3] Tessar type optical layout. As nearly all Tessars, it struggles with border/corner resolution, even stopped down to f11 (on 24 MP FF). You might consider lenses like the Micro Nikkor 3.5/55mm. Infinity is no problem; there are corresponding adapter available.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Finally got me an Enna Correlar 2.9/8cm. Can't wait to use it in native 6x6 format.
Some fantastic photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/photovibes/albums/72157676576969092/


PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
Fandyus wrote:

Thinking of getting the Takumar 50mm f/4 instead. I just really want to know what it is like to use a proper macro lens. I'd get the Canon FDm 50mm f/3,5 but then I can't adopt it on my 6D.


The Takumar 50mm f/4 has a [4/3] Tessar type optical layout. As nearly all Tessars, it struggles with border/corner resolution, even stopped down to f11 (on 24 MP FF). You might consider lenses like the Micro Nikkor 3.5/55mm. Infinity is no problem; there are corresponding adapter available.

S


Yes, the Nikkor is great value.


PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fandyus wrote:
Well, as of now it was going to be the Volna 9 but now I think it might get stuck in Russia.
Hope eBay gives me back the money once the delivery time limit elapses.
Thinking of getting the Takumar 50mm f/4 instead. I just really want to know what it is like to use a proper macro lens. I'd get the Canon FDm 50mm f/3,5 but then I can't adopt it on my 6D.


The SMC Pentax-A 50mm F2.8 Macro is also a very good macro. Brighter and more modern lens design.

wide open: Fuzzy mess by The lens profile, on Flickr


PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fandyus wrote:
Well, as of now it was going to be the Volna 9 but now I think it might get stuck in Russia.
Hope eBay gives me back the money once the delivery time limit elapses.
Thinking of getting the Takumar 50mm f/4 instead. I just really want to know what it is like to use a proper macro lens. I'd get the Canon FDm 50mm f/3,5 but then I can't adopt it on my 6D.


If budget is an issue then any better "normal lens" is able to provide excellent results in combination with extension tubes or alike.
The technics or the know-how are much more important than the used lens, particularly the lighting technology.

Example of a very tiny (40mm) sea snail shot with extension tube and a cheap nifty "normal lens", but highly sophisticated technics. This was just a little experiment; i.e. there is still room for improvement, but any better or more expensive sophisticated macro lens wouldn't have any effect on the quality of the final output (clickable for best quality viewing).



PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
tb_a wrote:
The technics or the know-how are much more important than the used lens, particularly the lighting technology.


Very true for close-up & macro photography.

Also don't underestimate the high utility-for-money of a quality close-up achromat, often looked down upon but very effective when used appropriately.


PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Minolta MC TELE ROKKOR-PE 200mm f/4.5, MC-X version.

I already had that one but I got this one for £10 to use for parts/spares as it looked really dirty and worn. It is a good source for spares as this model has a lot of commonly used Minolta grub screws, pan-head screws and other useful bits & bobs on it, and they are cheap.

But, as per usual, it turned out that underneath the grime & dirt the glass and mechanics were perfect, and it has cleaned up nicely.

Too good to use as a parts lens. So I gave it a full CLA service. This keeps happening Smile Sad Rolling Eyes

The image below are a first generation (MC-I) and last generation (MC-X) side-by-side.

Note the differences in aperture ring and DOF preview button positions, focus grip style, 52mm vs 55mm filter thread. The older MC-I has a more detailed DOF scale and (IMHO) nicer aesthetics.

Minolta MC ROKKOR-PE 200mm f/4.5 (MC-I left, MC-X right); the £10 one bought for parts is the on the right (after a CLA):


PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
RokkorDoctor wrote:
Minolta MC TELE ROKKOR-PE 200mm f/4.5, MC-X version.
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Minolta MC ROKKOR-PE 200mm f/4.5 (MC-I left, MC-X right)


That's a lens which often is overlooked. The mechanical quality of the MC-X barrel simply is a dream - on par with the Leica R lenses, for sure.
Compared to the MC-I version, its coatings are improved, and the focal length is slighty shorter.
Image quality is as good as the MD-II 4/200mm, and slightly worse than the MC-X or MD-I 4/200mm.
Of course a Minolta AF APO 2.8/200mm is better, but look at images yourself!

100% corner crops from JPGs out of he Sony A7II, as usual - PLEASE CLICK TWICE AT THE IMAGE TO GET THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION:



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:

Of course a Minolta AF APO 2.8/200mm is better,....


Out of curiosity I just made a test shot infinity F2.8 with my AF 80-200/2.8 HS APO @F2.8/200mm and had definitively lesser purple fringing compared to yours.
Quite astonishing for me.
Maybe the difference betw. A7II and A7RII, i.e. old style and newer BSI-CMOS sensor?
I would have expected the prime lens to be better than the zoom.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
That's a lens which often is overlooked. The mechanical quality of the MC-X barrel simply is a dream - on par with the Leica R lenses, for sure.


Indeed, these MC 200mm f/4.5 lenses are very well made. Very well thought out too with a view on serviceability. A doddle to service these.


PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
tb_a wrote:
stevemark wrote:

Of course a Minolta AF APO 2.8/200mm is better,....


Out of curiosity I just made a test shot infinity F2.8 with my AF 80-200/2.8 HS APO @F2.8/200mm and had definitively lesser purple fringing compared to yours.

Sorry - but that's an assertion without substance!

There are quite a few factors influencing the outcome of such a test, and only side-by-side comparisons are useful. I have been owning both the black and the white (HS) AF 2.8/80-200mm APO. Both are really nice lenses (and better than the original AF Nikkor 2.8/80-200mm), but they are inferior to both the AF APO 2.8/200mm and the later AF 2.8/70-200mm G SSM. Tested side-by-side Wink

I don't have these MinAF 2.8/80-200mm lenses any more, since I switched first to the AF 2.8/70-200 APO G SSM and later to the Sony versions.

S


EDIT: factors influencing the color fringing (longitudinal CAs) and the intensity of lateral CAs are e. g.

1) the contrast between sky and dark area (very high here - almost directly into the sun, as you can see from the direction of shadows on the roof) and
2) image processing inside the camera (here "autumn" and saturation "+1")
3) DRO level (here DRO level 5, thus increasing shadow areas including CAs)

Did you use JPGs out of cam as well - or RAW data? Using Photoshop standard conversion results in the following ... QUITE different from the JPGs out of cam (AF APO 2.8/200mm at f2.8, 100% corner crop)!!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:


Did you use JPGs out of cam as well - or RAW data? Using Photoshop standard conversion results in the following ... QUITE different from the JPGs out of cam (AF APO 2.8/200mm at f2.8, 100% corner crop)!!


Rest assured that I know how to provoke purple fringing.

However, I did not know that there is such a big difference between camera JPG and Lightroom, because I only shoot RAW.

Mistery solved, this time yours is slightly better. Wink

Thanks for reply anyway.


PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Soligor 500mm f/8, a giant lens, not the compact C/D version. Also re-branded as others.
Yashica ML 55mm f/2.8 macro.


PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
vivaldibow wrote:

Yashica ML 55mm f/2.8 macro.


Interesting - I missed one some years ago, sold locally, and never saw one again here in Switzerland Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
vivaldibow wrote:
Soligor 500mm f/8, a giant lens, not the compact C/D version. Also re-branded as others.
Yashica ML 55mm f/2.8 macro.


The Yashica from marktplaats?


PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
vivaldibow wrote:

Yashica ML 55mm f/2.8 macro.


Interesting - I missed one some years ago, sold locally, and never saw one again here in Switzerland Wink

S


I remember seeing one on ebay a while ago, but perhaps that was 55mm f/4?

caspert79 wrote:


The Yashica from marktplaats?


A seller in US.


PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jupiter 11 135mm f4 - with Contax RF mount. I was stumbling about this lens today in a "Brockenhaus" (place where old stuff of all kinds is being sold).
CHF (USD) 10.-- for a pretty decent looking sample with nice violet and amber coatings. And one lens surface obviously is not coated at all:
Its reflections are bright white ...
It will be interesting to see how it compares to my war-time Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/13.5cm which is not coated at all.

S


PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looks interesting: https://www.brockisearch.ch/ratgeber/online-im-brockenhaus-einkaufen/

and

https://www.google.com/search?q=Brockenhaus+shop+online


PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
Jupiter 11 135mm f4 - with Contax RF mount. I was stumbling about this lens today in a "Brockenhaus" (place where old stuff of all kinds is being sold).
CHF (USD) 10.-- for a pretty decent looking sample with nice violet and amber coatings. And one lens surface obviously is not coated at all:
Its reflections are bright white ...
It will be interesting to see how it compares to my war-time Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/13.5cm which is not coated at all.

S


I also have both and didn't really dedect differences in direct comparison.


PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
visualopsins wrote:
Looks interesting: https://www.brockisearch.ch/ratgeber/online-im-brockenhaus-einkaufen/

and

https://www.google.com/search?q=Brockenhaus+shop+online


Are you sure you know how they operate? I just have checked about twenty of the online selling channels linked above - only one (!) of
them had about 50 photographic items, and another one had five items. All the others: zero.

Most of these shops (only a very small percentage is listed in the above directory) are run by their owner. They e. g. clean up the
appartements of deceased people, and sell stuff later on. They simply don't have the time to put small items into an online shopping website.

The place I got my Jupiter 11 today is neither on google maps nor on any other online map search. It doesn't have a website. It does
have mobile phone, though, and the locals know it of course.

In addition postage is another problem. Most of these places - probably more than thousand all over Switzerland - won't send their stuff
by post. Not within Switzerland, let alone abroad. And I'm talking here about the larger "Brockis" in towns like Luzern or Zurich! Even
the few remaining large photo shops usually don't advertise their good stuff on the internet. Why? "Too much trouble with international
wannabe buyers" the head of large Bernese shop once told me. Which means I have to go there personally and regularly and
check the showcase Wink

S


PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
visualopsins wrote:
Looks interesting: https://www.brockisearch.ch/ratgeber/online-im-brockenhaus-einkaufen/

and

https://www.google.com/search?q=Brockenhaus+shop+online


Are you sure you know how they operate? I just have checked about twenty of the online selling channels linked above - only one (!) of
them had about 50 photographic items, and another one had five items. All the others: zero.

Most of these shops (only a very small percentage is listed in the above directory) are run by their owner. They e. g. clean up the
appartements of deceased people, and sell stuff later on. They simply don't have the time to put small items into an online shopping website.

The place I got my Jupiter 11 today is neither on google maps nor on any other online map search. It doesn't have a website. It does
have mobile phone, though, and the locals know it of course.

In addition postage is another problem. Most of these places - probably more than thousand all over Switzerland - won't send their stuff
by post. Not within Switzerland, let alone abroad. And I'm talking here about the larger "Brockis" in towns like Luzern or Zurich! Even
the few remaining large photo shops usually don't advertise their good stuff on the internet. Why? "Too much trouble with international
wannabe buyers" the head of large Bernese shop once told me. Which means I have to go there personally and regularly and
check the showcase Wink

S


I do know now! Smile

Thank you!


PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
visualopsins wrote:


I do know now! Smile

Thank you!


Of course - if you discover something really interesting: Feel free to contact me; i'll pick it up for you and send it over to the US.
Be aware of postage fees, though ...

S


PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Canon FDn 17mm f/4 & 20mm f/2.8.

I have recently bee re-buying my old FD lens set or more accurately a better version of it. The 17mm was a lens I used up until around 2005 when Digital took over, the 20mm is new to me.


Canon FD 17 & 20mm Lenses by bp reid, on Flickr

17mm samples, SOOC from an A7ii.


One Blackfriars by bp reid, on Flickr


Tate Modern by bp reid, on Flickr

20mm sample, SOOC from an A7ii.


Blackfriars Bridge by bp reid, on Flickr


PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
bp_reid wrote:
Canon FDn 17mm f/4 & 20mm f/2.8.


Two really nice lenses which share the same basic optical construction (same patent).

On 24 MP FF, the nFD 4/17mm has a nearly identical resolution as the Minolta MC/MD 4/17mm (and the Zeiss CY 4/18mm), even though their basic layout is quite different: The Canon 4/17mm and 2.8/20mm are "negative leading" constructions (front lens is negative, easier correction of oblique light rays); the Minolta 4/17mm and 2.8/20mm are "positive leading" (front lens is positive; easier correction of distortion).

S


PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
stevemark wrote:
vivaldibow wrote:

Yashica ML 55mm f/2.8 macro.


Interesting - I missed one some years ago, sold locally, and never saw one again here in Switzerland Wink

S


I had an absolutely mint one about 2 years ago, sold it on Ricardo for 150 CHF.. Big mistake, I should have kept it (or gave it to you for that matter).
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