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Nesster
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 Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: What's on the film vs what's in the print |
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Nesster wrote:
A case in point, if anyone feels defeated by the flat looking negative scans or straight prints... Ansel Adams, "Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico" 1941
What a contact print of the actual bit of film really looks like:
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flaviomaia
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flaviomaia wrote:
Interesting. I didn't know this comparison, but as a technique I'm rather familiar with it.
When I was taking my degree, I had to enlarge on b&w paper and one of the most important things I have learned was making masks and use contrast filters. It was a time consumer but I enjoyed a lot. We used to call this the "old school photoshop" 
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Excalibur wrote:
Great final results.....any expert using Photoshop that can get the same result in minutes 
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
Difference is not in the time employed. It actually takes seconds in the darkroom. You only have to plan the steps.
The difference is in what you can do. Photoshop can do things that you can just dream of in the darkroom.
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RSalles wrote:
I have a book - The Negative - from him with the Moonrise on it and the reproduction is far better than the photo showed here, way better in a manner that it doesn't seems to be the same photo,
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Gurdie
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Gurdie wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| The difference is in what you can do. Photoshop can do things that you can just dream of in the darkroom. |
Well, at least Jerry Uelsmann could do things in the darkroom only a few could dream in Photoshop. 
http://www.uelsmann.net/works.php
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kds315* wrote:
dodge + burn, make layers, etc all the know techniques may be used to end up with a fine result
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kds315*
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kds315* wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
Difference is not in the time employed. It actually takes seconds in the darkroom. You only have to plan the steps.
The difference is in what you can do. Photoshop can do things that you can just dream of in the darkroom. |
The existence of Adams' works (and a few fine arts printers) prove the opposite of your last sentence...
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NikonAIS wrote:
Very few negatives are ever perfect. But it is skill in the darkroom that can transform that negative into a print that is one of the most iconic images of all time. And Ansel did not have the benefit of Photoshop or anything else. All he had was his knowledge and very skilled hands.
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NikonAIS wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
Difference is not in the time employed. It actually takes seconds in the darkroom. You only have to plan the steps.
The difference is in what you can do. Photoshop can do things that you can just dream of in the darkroom. |
You don't actually believe that do you? How much time, if any, do you actually have in a REAL darkroom?
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duckrider wrote:
lot of years ago my girl friend & me did things in the high school darkroom you can't even dream of in pohotoshop! 
Those film times were better than digital age....
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philslizzy
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philslizzy wrote:
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lot of years ago my girl friend & me did things in the high school darkroom you can't even dream of in pohotoshop!
Those film times were better than digital age.... |
Ahh, reminds me of the time when I used the University Darkroom and my model would assist me... I know exactly...
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