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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
I noted that nobody chose to CZJ 135/3,5.
I know that can be too long for portrait, but Am I loosing anything about this lens?
I tried it and seemed to be very sharp with very good bokeh, zeiss colors, focus from 1 m.
Now, please, tell my the truth. 
Rino.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
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Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
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cooltouch
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cooltouch wrote:
I personally don't believe 135mm is too long for portraits. The slight compression it provides can even be flattering for some folks.
I'll admit my Nikkor 105/2.5 is a sweet optic, but I'll also have to admit that my favorite for casual portraits has been a Nikkor 135/2.8. I especially like it for shooting candids, because I can stand off a bit from my subject. A scan of a slide (Fujichrome 100) I shot of my wife 20 years ago with the 135 wide open:
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Big Dawg
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Vivitar 105 f/2.5
Pentax SMC M 50 f/1.7
Pentax DA 18-55 kit lens.
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madamasu
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madamasu wrote:
I just bought a Helios-81M via ebay Germany for 25€ (and another 10€ for a 49mm lense-cap, which I didn't have). I took a few pictures in our market-hall last saturday, when two guys filmed a boy with a polar-bear outfit. I asked, if I also could take a few shots of him, and here are two. After having a look at them at home on the screen, I was pleasantly surprised by the colours, especially the ski-tones, and the bokeh is also not bad at all. So I guess I can say it is a very good portrait-lense. I won't be able to shoot more than that anyhow, as I cannot focus on anything farther away than 5-6m. The description says, I can use it with Nikon F and Kiev 19, but infinity is obviously not possible.
Both pictures @f2, ISO 320
The second pictures was problematical because of the light-situation: lots of light through the windows at the right side, and a lot of other smaller lights and reflections from the food-stands.
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poilu
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poilu wrote:
nice portraits everybody!
Helios-81M look wow! |
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
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I noted that nobody chose to CZJ 135/3,5.
I know that can be too long for portrait, but Am I loosing anything about this lens?
I tried it and seemed to be very sharp with very good bokeh, zeiss colors, focus from 1 m.
Now, please, tell my the truth.
Rino. |
I've got this lens and it is sharp wide open but very sharp at F5.6. In fact it's my sharpest MF lens. I've not tried it for portraits yet but if you like sharp portraits (I do) then it's worth a look.
One lens I tried was the 2.4/35 CZJ Flektogon. On a crop body it worked well for longer than head shots. Again, one for sharp portraits
I used to have a Volna-3 but got rid of it as it wasn't used much, but a great lens for saturation and sharpness after F4. Sometimes I regret getting rid of it but I needed to fund my Tamron Adaptall-2 90mm macro which gets a lot more use as well as being a better build. Again a lens that is supposed to be good for portraits.
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madamasu
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madamasu wrote:
By the way: who says you can't do portraits with a 15mm lense?
This one is cropped, @3.5 ISO 1250
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Well, you can, but you get distortion when you stand so close. As shown in that photo.
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voytek
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voytek wrote:
It is surprise for myself but lens which I believed is soft and only average performer becomes one of my favorites. Polaris 1.8/135 is an incredibly sharp lens with great bokeh.
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WallyJr74
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WallyJr74 wrote:
CZJ 135/3.5 is pretty good too.
Wide open
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Seems almost any lens is good for portraits, but if you able to get a really good fast 75-85mm lens , difference will be come...
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glockman99
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My favorite portrait lens is my Nikon AIS 105mm f/2.5 lens, but when I need to "reach out" alittle, I use my Nikon AIS ED 180mm f/2.8 lens. I've also used my Nikon AI 50mm f/2 lens with excellent results.
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Attila
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All are Nikkor bests 
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djmike
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I use M42 adapter on EOS and am happy with CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 for outdoors, Tak SMC 50/1.4 for indoors.
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small
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small wrote:
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however 105 2.5 is best of the best!  |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
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| All are Nikkor bests |
however 105 2.5 is best of the best! |
Yes! I agree.
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F16SUNSHINE
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Again it depends on the subject.
And again here is ZM biogon 2/35.
For Salty sailor or an old man/woman this lens is perfect.
Shows sun worn face without forgiving softness.
Yet the details are real and not harsh. The colors here are accurate.
He is actually the color of ham Zoom in at the thumb nail one also.
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Yes, it is ! Great one!
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poilu
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poilu wrote:
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| And again here is ZM biogon 2/35 |
wow! great! who make the scan  |
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F16SUNSHINE
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
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| And again here is ZM biogon 2/35 |
wow! great! who make the scan |
Thanks!
No Scan R D1 6mp Rangefinder.
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
Personally I remain at heart a nikon fan, but the topcon 100/2.8 and the voigtlander 90/3.5 both offer unique and very special qualities for portraits - colours, 3D effect - without losing sharpness.
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Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Uzay
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Uzay wrote:
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Pentax DA 18-55 kit lens.
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Wow, i can't imagine such a great portrait lens, unbelievable. |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
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Wow, i can't imagine such a great portrait lens, unbelievable. |
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Welcome! Nice to see you here!
This picture is heavily modified by Photo shop, not came straight from camera. I think who made it , virtually get same result with any lenses.This is a great graphic artist example.
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patrickh
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To my taste this is almost a caricature - the PP is what leaps out at you
patrickh
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C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
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P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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