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Ivan Lee
Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 230 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject: Voigtlander 35 1.4 Nokton Classic or Canon 35 f/2 LTM? |
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Ivan Lee wrote:
Hey guys... for the same price, which one would you get? I want a small LTM/M39 lens to be the "normal" lens on my NEX-5n
The Voigtlander looks smaller and prettier... but I've heard horrible comments about its bokeh
About the Canon, I have no idea about its perfomance... sharpness, bokeh, contrast...etc.
A last question... is that normal the long MFD on the rangefinder lenses? 1 meter for the 35mm Canon, this is looooooooong
Thanks! _________________ Ivan Lee Barcellos - Director of Photography
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Ivan Lee
Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 230 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Ivan Lee wrote:
Well, I gave up. I'm watching some samples from the voigtlander, and indeed, I really don't like the kind of bokeh this lens produces... and the canon, I think it's too much money for a 35mm f/2 lens with a MFD of 1 meter.
I'll give Konica Hexanon lenses a try... it's the smallest I can go with SLR lenses. _________________ Ivan Lee Barcellos - Director of Photography
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Konica AR: Hexanon 28/3.5 - Hexanon 50/1.7 - Hexanon 57/1.4
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16625 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
I have the Voigtlander 1.7/35mm ULtron and find its bokeh pretty pleasing...
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Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
I have the Voigtlander 1.7/35mm ULtron and find its bokeh pretty pleasing...
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Not only the bokeh is pretty pleasing in that shot if I may say so. Wonderful image, Klaus! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
ultron is both nicer and more rxpensive than nokton. MC version of nokton much more pleasant than SC/classic version. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16625 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Thanks guys! I finally managed to use that lens I bought a while ago from Orio.
Very pleased with the results, full set is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/sets/72157627831860670/ _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
It was a nice lens, very sharp, very saturated, in part I regret it, but it's sale helped me to finance
the Biogon 2/35, so after all I am happy _________________ Orio, Administrator
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16625 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
The Biogon 2/35mm surely does a great job for you Orio - at that time I bought it mainly to help, not because I needed it. Now I made a few tests and found it quite acceptable, but not that I would permanently use it _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
Ivan Lee wrote: |
Well, I gave up. I'm watching some samples from the voigtlander, and indeed, I really don't like the kind of bokeh this lens produces... and the canon, I think it's too much money for a 35mm f/2 lens with a MFD of 1 meter.
I'll give Konica Hexanon lenses a try... it's the smallest I can go with SLR lenses. |
Ivan, the 1 meter closest focus is typical of rangefinder lenses - it's connected with the parallax error in the non=ttl viewfinder and the available movement of the rangefinder cam in the camera body. Some of the newer lenses do focus closer, but still nothing like you get with a reflex camera. I don't know what the prices were on the lenses you mention, but the old Canon rangefinder lenses seem to have acquired a certain mystique recently and that has driven up their proces. As for the "bokeh", well that's a mattter of personal judgement, but it's worth remembering that the out-of-focus effect will vary according to the nature of the background and its illumination. From my own experience, what you get in the final result very often depends as much on what's in the picture as the lens that formed the image
Still ,good luck with your search. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:39 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Ivan Lee wrote: |
I'll give Konica Hexanon lenses a try... it's the smallest I can go with SLR lenses. |
You can't go wrong with the Hexanon 3.5/28, it's a great lens, not the smallest or lightest 28mm lens out there but superb quality optically and build-wise, I use mine on my NEX a lot, in fact, almost all of my NEX shooting kit is made up of Hexanons now. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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uhoh7
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:08 am Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
The Canon 35/2 ---what happened to it? jeez i'd give 500 for a clean copy and never look back. It might not match the zeiss in the corners, but the oof rendering is much better--at least from what i see, and the centers are a match for anything. not so? _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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taunusreiter
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: |
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taunusreiter wrote:
Don't forget the Canon 35/1.8 LTM in that price range.
It's older - when published, 1956, the fastest wideangle lens of the world! - and a bit softer wide open than the 35/2, but very pleasing.
Canon hold a patent on it, therefore even Leica couldn't copy their design!
The Canon 35/2 is an upgrade of it, similar in optical design and amazing small outer size, but different frame. Optically a little bit squeezed for contrast wide open, but on cost of bokeh and nice character. Most people agree that this was the best 35/2 screw mount lens between 1962 and 1996, introduction of the LTM Hexanon 35/2. But, sadly, this is also another league in terms of price... _________________ My flickr Gallery
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Excalibur
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
uhoh7 wrote: |
The Canon 35/2 ---what happened to it? jeez i'd give 500 for a clean copy and never look back. It might not match the zeiss in the corners, but the oof rendering is much better--at least from what i see, and the centers are a match for anything. not so? |
The Canon Fd 35 f2 is known as an excellent lens amongst Canon users. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16625 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Ivan: About that "1 meter" closest focusing range - maybe it would be helpful to read about it and understand how a rangefinder works and why it makes no sense for rangefinder lens manufacturers to build a closer focusing helicoid??
Just a friendly proposal of course... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:34 am Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
Excalibur wrote: |
uhoh7 wrote: |
The Canon 35/2 ---what happened to it? jeez i'd give 500 for a clean copy and never look back. It might not match the zeiss in the corners, but the oof rendering is much better--at least from what i see, and the centers are a match for anything. not so? |
The Canon Fd 35 f2 is known as an excellent lens amongst Canon users. |
I have the FD convex or concave thorium which I searched for--yes it is good, but so heavy I never use it.
The tremendous thing about the nex is the RF glass it gives you access to, which very often outperforms the SLR stuff. With the hawks adapter close focus is no longer an issue either.
FF would be better, but for now it's pretty good.
I do have all three CVs 1.2, 1.4 @ 2.5, and they really are pretty darn nice; each in it's own way, but i'd sell two for a Canon 35/2 or esp a 1.5. @ taunusreiter: I need to learn more about the 1.8.
The konicas look great, but pricey---however maybe it's worth it. The zeiss 35s are very very sharp but so ugly in OOF.
Choices choices... _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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Ivan Lee
Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 230 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Ivan Lee wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Ivan: About that "1 meter" closest focusing range - maybe it would be helpful to read about it and understand how a rangefinder works and why it makes no sense for rangefinder lens manufacturers to build a closer focusing helicoid??
Just a friendly proposal of course... |
Yeah, rangefinders have always been a mystery to me, I have never used or touched one. But I'll have to read about this someday _________________ Ivan Lee Barcellos - Director of Photography
www.planoconjunto.com.br
Sony A7s
Lumix GH3
Minolta MC: Minolta MC 24/2.8 - Minolta MD 28/2 - Minolta MC 35/1.8 - Minolta MC 35/2.8 - Minolta MD 50/1.2 - Minolta MD Macro 50/3.5 - Minolta MD 100/2.5
Konica AR: Hexanon 28/3.5 - Hexanon 50/1.7 - Hexanon 57/1.4
M42: Industar 50-2 - CZ Pancolar 50/1.8
Olympus OM: Zuiko Auto-Macro 50/3.5 - Vivitar 28/2 Close Focus |
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