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donTTouchonlywatch
Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 63 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: Pentacon 29mm f/2.8 Do you have any idea? |
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donTTouchonlywatch wrote:
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Pentacon 29mm f/2.8 Do you have any idea? |
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spiralcity wrote:
donTTouchonlywatch wrote: |
Thank's for your's comments... |
What do you need to know? _________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
Fujica: ST605N-ST701-ST705-ST705W-ST801-ST901-AZ1-AX-3
Chinon: CE4s-CM4s-CM5
Pentax: ME-Soptmatic
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Lenses- M42's-Nikon F mount, Pentax PK
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donTTouchonlywatch
Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 63 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Pentacon 29mm f/2.8 Do you have any idea? |
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donTTouchonlywatch wrote:
spiralcity wrote: |
donTTouchonlywatch wrote: |
Thank's for your's comments... |
What do you need to know? |
About performance,image quality...... |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Quality varies among copies. You can get very good lens, but very bad one, too. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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donTTouchonlywatch
Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 63 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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donTTouchonlywatch wrote:
no-X wrote: |
Quality varies among copies. You can get very good lens, but very bad one, too. |
How can i seperate?
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
donTTouchonlywatch wrote: |
no-X wrote: |
Quality varies among copies. You can get very good lens, but very bad one, too. |
How can i seperate?
Thank's |
It's pot luck. You take a chance when you purchase. _________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
Fujica: ST605N-ST701-ST705-ST705W-ST801-ST901-AZ1-AX-3
Chinon: CE4s-CM4s-CM5
Pentax: ME-Soptmatic
Ricoh:XR6
Pentax- K10D
Lenses- M42's-Nikon F mount, Pentax PK
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donTTouchonlywatch
Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 63 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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donTTouchonlywatch wrote:
spiralcity wrote: |
donTTouchonlywatch wrote: |
no-X wrote: |
Quality varies among copies. You can get very good lens, but very bad one, too. |
How can i seperate?
Thank's |
It's pot luck. You take a chance when you purchase. |
Ok thank's |
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mflex-on
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
I had 5 bad copies already. # 6 is good on EOS 5D. Surprise! |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
mflex-on wrote: |
I had 5 bad copies already. # 6 is good on EOS 5D. Surprise! |
Full frame cameras can do magic with bad or average lenses, larger sensor produce better result with weak lenses too. Same than film ...
I had one copy from this lens a brand new never mounted copy it was pretty good one. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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mikel
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 26 Location: SW Europe
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:10 am Post subject: |
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mikel wrote:
I got one new copy 1 year ago, and I don't use it very much: it's quite soft at borders wide open, but once you stop down to 4-5.6 it becomes very usable. Mine is a "auto MC" copy.
I like the field of view on crop cameras. I also like the "vintage" look it provides, as if you were shooting with old film (has some sort of magenta cast and soft contrast). Well, I have to say that I'm spoilt as I'm used to the SMC Takumars' fantastic contrast, color and sharpness. But I've started using the pentacon again just for fun and looking for the special look it gives.
Build quality and touch is very good, and has a very interesting 0.25 mts MFD that is very usable for funny close ups. |
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Helios
Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 537 Location: East of France
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
I'm afraid it is not the best M42 28/30mm ... Tokina, Chinon, "Nonames" are often better and offered at the same or lower price ... I use my takumar, Mir-10, Tamron 2,5 , Lydith , but never this lens . |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:32 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Majority of cheap 28mm and 35mm lenses were much worse, than my copy of this lens (I sold it, Komine Vivitar 28/2.8 a Tokina Vivitar 28/1.9 are better, Kiron Vivitar 28/2.5 was about the same in terms of sharpness, but it had more CA). Here is a full-size sample at f/8:
_________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
It has very nice colors and contrast.
It can have an misaligned element. Is the "normal" defect.
For general use, it should be OK. For critic job, hmm..
It's average lens in resolution, in my taste.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I think the main problem is the risk. If you find a good copy, there are not many lenses which will perform better for the same or lower price. Komine 28/2.8... _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
If I don't remember in the wrong side, the lens (in the orestegon version) was showed in the film "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" and was used like a everyday use lens.
Think that this is the key.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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GrahamNR17
Joined: 17 Jan 2009 Posts: 1855 Location: Norfolk, UK
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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GrahamNR17 wrote:
Here is the Prakticar (Orestegon) version. Cheap film/good processing combination. I like the lens a lot. It is much sharper than my Lydith in the corners.
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mflex-on
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
I have the Prakticar 2.8/28 as well. It renders good colours and sharpness, even in the corners from 4-5.6 up - on my EOS 5D.
The Orestegon is a little bit weaker but good as well - maybe one stop later.
One thing I still miss is a good metal hood for the Meyer Orestegon/Pentacon 2.8/29 - any advices? |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
mflex-on wrote: |
I have the Prakticar 2.8/28 as well. It renders good colours and sharpness, even in the corners from 4-5.6 up - on my EOS 5D.
The Orestegon is a little bit weaker but good as well - maybe one stop later.
One thing I still miss is a good metal hood for the Meyer Orestegon/Pentacon 2.8/29 - any advices? |
49 mm ? Pentax Metal/rigid plastic hood for 28 mm. It's good.
55 mm? Konica metal hood. Better than pentax.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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mflex-on
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
estudleon wrote: |
49 mm ? Pentax Metal/rigid plastic hood for 28 mm. It's good.
55 mm? Konica metal hood. Better than pentax. |
Thank you Rino, indeed it is a 55mm screw on front ring |
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Ashley Pomeroy
Joined: 07 Jun 2009 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Pentacon 29mm f/2.8 Do you have any idea? |
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Ashley Pomeroy wrote:
donTTouchonlywatch wrote: |
Thank's for your's comments... |
By coincidence I threw one of these away yesterday. It's still in the bin, along with cans and bits of cardboard etc. No doubt a German pensioner who used to work in the camera factory in the former DDR will sleep uneasily tonight.
It was mechanically snappy, and cost me £8, and I used it occasionally in instances where I didn't mind if it was smashed, but even when stopped down it was no good in the corners on my 5D. Instead, and based on the recommendation of this chap here, I have bought a second-hand Olympus 24mm f/2.8, which is wider and better in all respects. And it's good in the corners. Corner performance is very important with a full-frame sensor. On the other hand, I wouldn't be enthused with the Pentacon on a small, ladies' model digital SLR; it would be like having a slow normal lens that is only sharp at f/8, and then not very sharp. As a consequence it no longer had a role and was unsellable so into the bin it went. Where it lurks until Wednesday, when the bin man comes. |
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donTTouchonlywatch
Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 63 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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donTTouchonlywatch wrote:
estudleon wrote: |
If I don't remember in the wrong side, the lens (in the orestegon version) was showed in the film "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" and was used like a everyday use lens.
Think that this is the key.
Rino. |
Many many thank's... |
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donTTouchonlywatch
Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 63 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Pentacon 29mm f/2.8 Do you have any idea? |
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donTTouchonlywatch wrote:
Ashley Pomeroy wrote: |
donTTouchonlywatch wrote: |
Thank's for your's comments... |
By coincidence I threw one of these away yesterday. It's still in the bin, along with cans and bits of cardboard etc. No doubt a German pensioner who used to work in the camera factory in the former DDR will sleep uneasily tonight.
It was mechanically snappy, and cost me £8, and I used it occasionally in instances where I didn't mind if it was smashed, but even when stopped down it was no good in the corners on my 5D. Instead, and based on the recommendation of this chap here, I have bought a second-hand Olympus 24mm f/2.8, which is wider and better in all respects. And it's good in the corners. Corner performance is very important with a full-frame sensor. On the other hand, I wouldn't be enthused with the Pentacon on a small, ladies' model digital SLR; it would be like having a slow normal lens that is only sharp at f/8, and then not very sharp. As a consequence it no longer had a role and was unsellable so into the bin it went. Where it lurks until Wednesday, when the bin man comes. |
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mikel
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 26 Location: SW Europe
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:00 am Post subject: |
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mikel wrote:
After reading this thread I just decided to give a second opportunity to this lens of mine that I had in pure ostracism... well, it was a real rediscovery: I like the fov in a crop camera, and even dare using it wide open for close ups and funny portraits. As stated some post ago, once stopped down (from 5.6 on) border softness disappears and it becomes a very usable street-lens (I happen to be very comfortable shooting with a 43,5mm-equivalent focal length).
Some samples of the photos I lately took with this lens:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/-mikel-/tags/pentacon29f28/ _________________ E. German: Pentacon Electric 29 f/2.8 + Pentacon Auto 135 f/2.8
Russian: Mir 24M 35 f/2 + Mir 1V 37 f/2.8 + Industar 50-2 f/3.5 + Helios 44 58 f/2 + Helios 44-2 58 f/2
Japanese: Vivitar 28 f/2.5 + SMC Takumar 50 f/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55 f/2 + S-M-C Takumar 105 f/2.8 + S-M-C Takumar 200 f/4 |
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mflex-on
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: |
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mflex-on wrote:
Want to add a stream with 2.8/29 Meyer Orestegon pictures. You should never prejudge a lens ... after all bad experiences with other lenses of that construction, built later as Pentacon, I like that old Meyer:
Sharpness, Bokeh, Colours.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26086448@N00/sets/72157622560068873/ |
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Arkku
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
I really don't like this lens. Even the shots people show as good examples of what it can do, are either such that the lens doesn't matter (i.e. good photos on their own? =), or if they show some characteristics of the lens, I generally don't like it. That's purely subjective, of course. In objective terms, the lens is not sharp even compared to other cheap offerings in this focal length and the bokeh is somewhat busy, although fans of swirly bokeh can certainly get some at close distances (e.g. as demonstrated in one of the photos in mflex-on's flickr set linked above). |
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