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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: Retina lenses |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
I bought a Retina reflexIII from a fellow last year. It came complete with Sneider lenses: Curtagon 2.8/35, Xenon 1.9/50, and tele Xenar 4/135. The whole kit is minty fresh and I have put a few rolls thrue. Lately I have noticed adapters available for these lenses to Eos. HK seller "big is" sells one for $115 up to two times that amount for a cameraquest model.
Does anyone have an experience, comment, or opinion. Is it worth it to get the adapter. Mostly I am interested in using the Curtagon. _________________ Moderator |
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:50 am Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
You can buy a Curtagon 35/2.8 in m42 mount with half the cost of that gold-plated adapter. _________________ Alessandro
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SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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Brian
Joined: 10 May 2008 Posts: 83 Location: Virginia, US
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Brian wrote:
I still shoot film, so mine get used on the Retina Reflex-S and Rangefindeer IIIS.
The Xenon is superb, the Curtagon is on par with a Canon 35/2.8 of the same era. The Tele-Xenar is good, on par with a 13.5/4.5 Hektar. It's weak-spot is the 14ft minimum focus. |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
All you have are Schneider lenses. Super sharps and very good mechanical. The 2,8/35 is a traditional curtagon design (6 elements) and the same lens that the schn did for edixa. The xenon 1,9/50 is a planar design with excelent contrast and sharpness, and better than the other schneider normal for the retinas, the xenar 2,8/50 (tessar design), Rodenstock did a normal too, the heliogon 2/50 (the xenon that you have is better) and the isarex (2,8/50). The tele-xenar 4/135 is a sonnar design with 4 elements, the same as for edixa, and is very good lens.
If you can, try this lenses (for retinas too) curtagon 4/28, rotelar 4/80 or 85, 4/90, and tele xenar 4,8/200 a monster of splendid glass.
All are chrome version (except the 1,9/50, 4/135 and 4,8/200 that came in black too).
The lenses for Voigtlanser bessamatic and ultramatic, with little retouch, can be use in the retina system
Great cameras. Good luck and shoots. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Farside
Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 6557 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Retina lenses |
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Farside wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
Does anyone have an experience, comment, or opinion. Is it worth it to get the adapter. Mostly I am interested in using the Curtagon. |
I have similar - Bessamatic with 50/2.8 Color-Skopar (x2), Super Dynarex 135/4 and two Retina lenses - Curtagon 28/4 and Tele Xenar 135/4. I intend to run some film through the Bessamatic soon just to see how good they are. I've put off buying an adapter so far, as the price is a bit steep, imo, and converting each lens individually would be a pita.
I bought the Bessamatic to cannibalise its mount, but it was too good to break up and I don't like destroying a working camera. If I found another old wrecked one I'd do that. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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Bruce
Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 842 Location: Boston, Ma USA
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote:
Andy, everything works beautiful! I got infinity and the adapter itself simulates the aperture control as the back of the lens fits into the adapter and gives linkage to the blades. So the adapter gives a control ring replicating your aperture to open or stop down the blades. I hope that was clear... as I’m at work. Don’t tell anybody!
Addendum, This adapter seems a quality piece of work and good weight; I believe it the same as the Cameraquest adapter at half price.
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Farside
If you can find the lens Skopagon 2/40 made by voigtlander for the bessamatic line, try this. Is a wonderfull 40 mm. lens with 8 (yes, eight) elements, very very sharp, great contrast and"0" distortion.
It's the best of the serie. Near, the septon 2/50 (7 element similar design of hasselblad's planar, it's really) this was the normal lens for bessamatic CS and ultramatics.
Had you use the "portraits lens" attachment with your 4/135? It reduce the nearest point to focus from 4 m. to 2 m - with the portrait 2 -
Good luck. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Bruce
Does the adapter works as it should? Aperture opens and closes well, infinity, etc. My experience with Roxsen has been 1.5 out of 5 (pretty much shit). It would be nice to hear they get it right sometimes. This seems like a complicated adapter with moving parts. Could you explain how the Aperture is activated?
Thanks
Andy _________________ Moderator |
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Farside
Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 6557 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
estudleon wrote: |
Farside
If you can find the lens Skopagon 2/40 made by voigtlander for the bessamatic line, try this. Is a wonderfull 40 mm. lens with 8 (yes, eight) elements, very very sharp, great contrast and"0" distortion.
It's the best of the serie. Near, the septon 2/50 (7 element similar design of hasselblad's planar, it's really) this was the normal lens for bessamatic CS and ultramatics. |
I'll keep a lookout for that, but it depends on the price, of course.
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Had you use the "portraits lens" attachment with your 4/135? It reduce the nearest point to focus from 4 m. to 2 m - with the portrait 2 -
Good luck. |
Interesting you should say that... I've just discovered these on ebaby
Click here to see on Ebay
Click here to see on Ebay
Click here to see on Ebay
but without the Voigtlander catalog I have no clue what close-up lenses they are. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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Bruce
Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 842 Location: Boston, Ma USA
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote:
Andy, everything works beautiful! I got infinity and the adapter itself simulates the aperature control as the back of the lens fits into the adapter and gives linkage to the blades. So the adapter gives a control ring replicating your aperature to open or stop down the blades. Hope that was clear... as Im at work. Dont tell anybody! |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Farside
In Ebay you have Focars, the close up lenses for the normal lenses with 40,5. This is the diameter of the 135 mm too. But for this lens, the especific close up attachments are the "portrait" 0 and 2. With single coated - yellow and blue reflections and better quality than the focars.
A 20 years ago I was a Voigtlander collector (only couldn't get a super dinarex 5,6/300, but I had all the rest of lenses and cameras) and I can't remember more, sorry. Good lock. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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