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Nordentro
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:59 pm Post subject: Cyclop vs Helios 40 |
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Nordentro wrote:
Can you tell which one is the Helios?
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ducdao
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 288 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclop vs Helios 40 |
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ducdao wrote:
Nordentro wrote: |
Can you tell which one is the Helios?
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Aren't they both the same lens? _________________ Duc
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclop vs Helios 40 |
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Nordentro wrote:
ducdao wrote: |
Nordentro wrote: |
Can you tell which one is the Helios?
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Aren't they both the same lens? |
They say so about Helios 40-2 (black), but this comment make me doubt:
Papapishu wrote: |
Also, I actually emailed the maker, ROMZ regarding the lens design. I asked if it was at all related to the Helios 40-2. He wrote the following:
Dear Mr. Person,
No. These is two different objectives lens are not connected on the design.
I direct to you our catalogue of production. Probably will be interest for you something.
Best regards,
Sergey Protosavitskiy,
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Comparison pics:
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
I'll say the first picture in every set is the Helios, although it's very hard to tell any difference. _________________ Regards,
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
I'll say the first picture in every set is the Helios, although it's very hard to tell any difference. |
2,4,6 & 7 is the Helios 40!
But I agree, it's difficult to see any difference.
A few lines of my impression consider the IQ:
1. Helios 40 is Warmer than Cyclop (Helios 40-2 may be cooler)
2. Seeing them 100%, Helios 40 is slightly sharper than the Cyclop
3. Cyclop has little less purple fringing. Newer lens = better coating?!?
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Okay, so I had one right, but it wasn't the one I was most confident about. There was only one where I thought I saw something - the beer bottle shot; there was more flare/ghosting on the label on the second bottle picture, so I assumed it was the Cyclop.
This comparison would more support the similarities of the two lenses than dispel any rumors of them being the same formula. Can you tell anything by looking into the lenses? Really appreciate you sharing this comparison, thanks. _________________ Regards,
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
Okay, so I had one right, but it wasn't the one I was most confident about. There was only one where I thought I saw something - the beer bottle shot; there was more flare/ghosting on the label on the second bottle picture, so I assumed it was the Cyclop.
This comparison would more support the similarities of the two lenses than dispel any rumors of them being the same formula. Can you tell anything by looking into the lenses? Really appreciate you sharing this comparison, thanks. |
They look very similar inside too
I have a small impurity in the front element of my Cyclop, and as mentioned before by other member in the "monster thread" this is probably "second class" glass from Helios 40 production.
And as a former glass blower for 7 years in my youth I know there can occur bubbles, tiny stones and metal pieces in the glass melting process. _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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blende8
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Bremen, Germany
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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blende8 wrote:
I see 6 reflections within the lens:
The top two are very close.
Perhaps a little clearer is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQtm6dUVjec _________________ Best wishes, Wieland
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Attila
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I had several times Helios-40-2 which is Cyclop and I had always Helios-40 I always sold Helios-40-2 lenses I didn't see much difference and I kept cheaper ones. Finally I got a really old Helios -40 8,5cm with low serial 00..230 or something I found this was best to me from all. _________________ -------------------------------
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
The first (silver) version of Helios-40 has slightly warm colors, so my guess is that 2nd shots in each pair are from the Helios. _________________ List of lenses |
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
No, but your Hoegaarden bottles surprise me ... must be export models. _________________ Fujifilm X-Pro2 / Fujifilm X-T1 / some Sonnar & Takumar lenses |
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Nordentro
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
eeyore_nl wrote: |
No, but your Hoegaarden bottles surprise me ... must be export models. |
Yes, one of my favorite beer _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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Nordentro
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
Nice video! _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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Nordentro
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
Attila wrote: |
I had several times Helios-40-2 which is Cyclop and I had always Helios-40 I always sold Helios-40-2 lenses I didn't see much difference and I kept cheaper ones. Finally I got a really old Helios -40 8,5cm with low serial 00..230 or something I found this was best to me from all. |
Helios 40-2 always seems to go for a slightly higher price, but why? _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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aoleg
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:08 am Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
Nordentro wrote: |
Helios 40-2 always seems to go for a slightly higher price, but why? |
Newer (better chances to get in better condition), better coating (neutral color balance, less flare, physically stronger and more scratch and cleaning resistant), native M42 mount (no infinity problems with adapters). Looks cool on black dSLR's Enough reasons, eh? _________________ List of lenses |
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blende8
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:43 am Post subject: |
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blende8 wrote:
Nordentro wrote: |
Nice video! |
Perhaps you can do the same with the Helios 40 to check if they share the same design. _________________ Best wishes, Wieland
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pulatom
Joined: 01 Dec 2010 Posts: 109 Location: Wroclaw, Poland
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:14 am Post subject: |
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pulatom wrote:
They probably won't be distinguishable on a film, especially B&W . _________________ "Any good modern lens is corrected for maximum definition at the larger stops. Using a small stop only increases depth..." Ansel Adams
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
blende8 wrote: |
Nordentro wrote: |
Nice video! |
Perhaps you can do the same with the Helios 40 to check if they share the same design. |
Reflections looks pretty similar to my eyes
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blende8
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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blende8 wrote:
Nordentro wrote: |
Reflections looks pretty similar to my eyes |
Thank you for the test!
This confirms that they share the same design.
Differences can only be marginal. _________________ Best wishes, Wieland
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Nordentro
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
blende8 wrote: |
Nordentro wrote: |
Reflections looks pretty similar to my eyes |
Thank you for the test!
This confirms that they share the same design.
Differences can only be marginal. |
Definitively!
This makes the Cyclop a real bargain for the price you can get one for _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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woodrim
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:06 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Nordentro wrote: |
Definitively!
This makes the Cyclop a real bargain for the price you can get one for |
Now to figure out how to install an internal diaphragm. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Farside
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
Nordentro wrote: |
Definitively!
This makes the Cyclop a real bargain for the price you can get one for |
Now to figure out how to install an internal diaphragm. |
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woodrim
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:20 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
That might do it. I'll have to examine mine to see if there's a place where a slot can be machined - where there is a void without glass. I suppose near the rear since the focusing sleeve covers the front 2/3. The rear element is very easy to remove, so I'll take a look again. Good idea, thanks. _________________ Regards,
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rodes01
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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rodes01 wrote:
For what i can see, the bokeh in the Helios 40-2 looks more define than the Cyclops... look at photo 1 and 2. |
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tomasg
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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tomasg wrote:
Interesting, i have a silver Helios too, but with the tripod collar, which i removed. Serial is 642117.
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