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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:47 pm    Post subject: Compatibility Reply with quote

Could someone please point me in the right direction? I'm in need of a site (if one exists) that could tell me if and what mf lenses would be compatible with my camera. Current camera - panasonic lumix dmc g3, near future camera - Nikon d7100.
Thanks,
Brian.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't answer for the Panasonic, but for the D7100 - any Nikkor AI or Ai-S mount lens will work well. Most Nikon-F mount lenses will foul the mechanism on the camera body. (I have a D7000, and I think that it will be similar to your D71000. My comments relate to what I have found that works for me)
So, as well as Nikkors, there are Vivitars, Jupiters, Tokina, Kiron, Komine, Tamron, Hoya, Panagor etc etc
Occasionally there is an F mount lens that clears it, but it is a general rule that F mounts are no-go. Jupiter with F-mount works well as an exception to the rule., and there are other Russian lenses that do so.
There are adapters that will mount on the D7100 that allow use of other lens mounts, but these will take away the ability to long focus out to infinity. I have and use a Minolta MD 300 and 135 with adapter but the focus range is limited
Medium format lenses will work with an adapter and will retain long focus. I use Pentax 6X7 lenses on mine quite happily and Pentacon 6 mount lenses also work very well.

Hope this helps
OH


PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Compatibility Reply with quote

Brian J Moody wrote:
I'm in need of a site (if one exists) that could tell me if and what mf lenses would be compatible with my camera.

You found it. Someone with more knowledge than my limited Canon/Samsung brain will be along shortly with all the answers.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank-you and yes that helps a lot! I'm new to the vintage mf lenses but it's something I can really see myself getting into. Especially seeing as newer af lenses are so expensive!
Thanks again,
Brian.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Compatibility Reply with quote

Alternate Internet ID wrote:
Brian J Moody wrote:
I'm in need of a site (if one exists) that could tell me if and what mf lenses would be compatible with my camera.

You found it. Someone with more knowledge than my limited Canon/Samsung brain will be along shortly with all the answers.


I agree, but I'm a Pentax / NEX man so I'm not much help. Wink


PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It helps in your search if you learn to identify the Nikon AI and AI-S lens mounts from the back of the lens view.
Many lenses are advertised as being AI or AI-s when they are actually F-mounts, and the opposite also happens - with the lens being sold as F mount when it is actually AI or AI-S.
Welcome to the wonderful world of MF lenses
OH


PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure someone will come along with the knowledge of panasonic. Guess I'll just watch this space.
Thanks all.
Brian.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Brian, if you can't find the answer on this forum, it doesn't exist. Wink


PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha, you're not wrong there Gary.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:01 am    Post subject: Re: Compatibility Reply with quote

Brian J Moody wrote:
Could someone please point me in the right direction? I'm in need of a site (if one exists) that could tell me if and what mf lenses would be compatible with my camera. Current camera - panasonic lumix dmc g3, near future camera - Nikon d7100.
Thanks,
Brian.

Sure there's not something in this section? I don't visit there much, not having any of those ones.
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewforum.php?f=24&sid=9f1594335a8ec17bd956e6c72a19013e


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, pretty much everything is compatible with m4/3 camera such as Lumix. Almost nothing except Nikon AI, AI-S and medium format lenses is compatible with Nikon and then there will be a question whether metering will work or not on Nikon.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For new MF lenses there are not much choices. New micro four thirds mount MF lenses are currently offered by Voigtlander, Samyang (aka Rokinon, Bowel, Vivitar, etc.), SLRmagic, and Tamron, in selected models. Look for the m4/3 (not 4/3) consortium logo on the boxes.

On the other hand, the selection of vintage MF lenses for m4/3 are limitless. I would say virtually all yard-sell photo-camera lenses can be used on a m4/3 body with adapters that are readily available commercially. Movie camara lenses are more tricky. Better ask first.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Brian, if you are contemplating a DSLR capable of using MF lenses, Nikon is the last make you should consider. I have two and right away I realised my choice was limited by the flange to film distance. All others are shorter.

The Canon models are much more versatile. I dont know much about Canons but there are plenty here who would advise and maybe even sell you a cheap used body. Ironically FD lenses cant be used on a Canon DSLR because a complicated adapter containing a glass element will be required. This softens the image somewhat but that will go at about f5.6 to f8.

Your Panasonic m4/3 camera is a good camera to do this. If you get a larger sensor NEX, the lenses will appear a little wider - and therefore more useful at the wide end. On your Panasonic your 28mm will look like 56mm in terms of coverage on a full frame sensor. On a NEX it will look like a 42mm - wider.

DSLR's are much easier to get action shots in my experience. I think your Panny has a viewfinder making it almost the same.

Flange film distance chart: http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/mounts-by-register.html


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

philslizzy wrote:
Hi Brian, if you are contemplating a DSLR capable of using MF lenses, Nikon is the last make you should consider. I have two and right away I realised my choice was limited by the flange to film distance. All others are shorter.


+1, I'd give Canon a good long look if you're an MF addict and really want to go DSLR. Not only does it give you access to M42 and Contax but also, the full-range of Nikon vintage lenses can be used on Canon (and not the other way around).


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before I got into mf lenses I did look at both Canon and Nikon but Nikon seemed the better camera to me? In you're opinions, which is better from just the camera point of view? Obviously I now know which is better from the use of mf lenses point.
Thanks,
Brian.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One often forgotten point in connection with using Nikon Ai/Ais lenses, or even pre-Ai lenses (if modified), on Nikon bodies is automatic aperture. You can focus wide open and then take the shot without having to stop down first. When using Nikon lenses on a Canon body either (i) you have to focus at the working aperture before shooting or (ii) focus wide open, stop down, and then shoot. Some people find automatic aperture an advantage.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The *key* to lens adaptations which retain infinity focus is to compare the camera register distances -- in general, lenses from cameras with longer register distances can be adapted to cameras with shorter register distances. For example, Canon EOS register diatance is 44mm, M42 camera register distance is 45.5mm -- since Canon register is less than M42 register, M42 lenses adapted to Canon camera will retain infinity focus.

Using a list of camera registers sorted by register distance, first find the distance for the camera, then lenses from cameras listed subsequent, i.e. those from cameras with greater register distance.

http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/mounts-by-register.html


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to use a dSLR with MF and vintage lenses, Canon is the way to go. I've used many lenses on Canon bodies and it worked really fine. I used it with a Katzeye focusing screen with split focus to make focusing easier. There are also adapters available with focus confirmation. Whether you find a Canon or Nikon better is a matter of personal taste. I used both systems and liked both.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the drawing board then!


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Brian, do you really have to have a DSLR? You might also want to consider a Sony NEX. The NEX 6 and 7 have an electronic viewfinder in addition to an articulating screen, so when you're working in bright sun, you can still see your subject clearly. Nice thing about a mirrorless camera like a NEX is it will take any lens you can think of with the right adapter. From C-mount to Canon FD, it can take them all.

I'm in a similar situation as you. I have an old DSLR and I need to upgrade. But I'm gonna go for a mirrorless camera because I have a large collection of Canon FD lenses and I want to be able to use them on a digital camera without having to use an adapter that contains a corrective glass element -- because those adapters don't work very well. I also own several Nikon lenses -- both AI and pre-AI mount, a few Pentax Ks and M42s, a few M39s, and three C-mount lenses. With a mirrorless like the NEX, I can adapt all of these mounts. Even though Canon EOS is very flexible as to the mounts that can be used, it won't take M39 or C-mount.

I've been a loyal Canon owner for over 30 years, but Canon still doesn't get it when it comes to mirrorless cameras. The EOS M is totally unappealing. But Sony does get it. Sony is due to announce an update for the 7 later this month, as well as a new full-frame mirrorless that's probably gonna sell in the $3000 range. Wish I could afford that one, but I'll be able to afford the 7 update + Lens Turbo, which should be almost as good.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lens turbo is expensive (£95) and comes in fixed mounts. Its worth waiting to see if you have a favourite mount or lens before you get one.

I'd hang fire 'till your collection of lenses reaches 25-30 (about 2 months) Wink Wink

The lens turbo fits in place of your adapter and has lens elements that reduce the coverage of the lens to suit your sensor format. In effect I can now get the same coverage on my NEX as my film SLR's. Another plus is that the effective aperture is increased by about a stop. I'm not sure if the M4/3 version gives the same coverage but a wide lens will look wider.

I have gone for Minolta MD as these are now my lenses and mount of choice. My 21mm acts like a 21mm and the 35-70 acts like a 35-70.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
The *key* to lens adaptations which retain infinity focus is to compare the camera register distances -- in general, lenses from cameras with longer register distances can be adapted to cameras with shorter register distances. For example, Canon EOS register diatance is 44mm, M42 camera register distance is 45.5mm -- since Canon register is less than M42 register, M42 lenses adapted to Canon camera will retain infinity focus.

Using a list of camera registers sorted by register distance, first find the distance for the camera, then lenses from cameras listed subsequent, i.e. those from cameras with greater register distance.

http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/mounts-by-register.html

Basically go to the link, find your camera/mount then add a few mm for a thin adapter, then everything that has a longer registration will adapt easily(or relatively easily)
So for example M4/3 is 19.25mm, Leica M is 27.95mm so the adapter should be 8.7mm thick(mount surface to mount surface, does not count the bayonet stuff).


PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

philslizzy wrote:
Lens turbo is expensive (£95) and comes in fixed mounts. Its worth waiting to see if you have a favourite mount or lens before you get one.

I'd hang fire 'till your collection of lenses reaches 25-30 (about 2 months) Wink Wink


Heh. Well, I believe in quality over quantity. I have some 18 FL and FD lenses, but a few of them are very desirable ones. The Lens Turbo sells over here for around $200. And it isn't nearly as expensive as the Metabones Speed Booster -- which they don't even make for Canon FD yet.

philslizzy wrote:
The lens turbo fits in place of your adapter and has lens elements that reduce the coverage of the lens to suit your sensor format. In effect I can now get the same coverage on my NEX as my film SLR's. Another plus is that the effective aperture is increased by about a stop. I'm not sure if the M4/3 version gives the same coverage but a wide lens will look wider.

I have gone for Minolta MD as these are now my lenses and mount of choice. My 21mm acts like a 21mm and the 35-70 acts like a 35-70.


Sounds like you're a fan of the lens turbo too. Actually, I would save up and buy a Metabones when it becomes available because it is clearly superior to the Lens Turbo. See:

http://www.mirrorlessworld.com/?p=6265

I contacted Metabones, asking them about Canon FD and what were they thinking regarding Alpa and Contarex? They replied that Canon FD was in the planning stage, but didn't comment about Alpa and Contarex. Yeah, I know what they were thinking. The guy who invented the Speed Booster is an Alpa and Contarex nut, that's what. Anyway, the Canon FD Speed Booster will probably sell for the same as the other manual focus lens mounts Speed Boosters that are currently available. About $400, or twice a Lens Turbo's price. Hey it's still a good deal, when you compare it with the much-anticipated, but still unannounced Sony FF NEX, which will likely sell for around $3000. Figure around $1000 for the new NEX 7 and $400 for the Speed Booster for Canon FD and I'll have a functional equivalent to the $3k Sony FF MILC for less than half the price.

But who knows how long it's gonna take for Metabones to produce a Speed Booster for Canon FD? So I'll go ahead and buy a Lens Turbo to use while I'm waiting.

Sorry, I don't mean to hijack this thread. But my question to Brian remains? Why a DSLR and why not a NEX?


PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wuxiekeji wrote:
philslizzy wrote:
Hi Brian, if you are contemplating a DSLR capable of using MF lenses, Nikon is the last make you should consider. I have two and right away I realised my choice was limited by the flange to film distance. All others are shorter.


+1, I'd give Canon a good long look if you're an MF addict and really want to go DSLR. Not only does it give you access to M42 and Contax but also, the full-range of Nikon vintage lenses can be used on Canon (and not the other way around).


I also agree with this.

I currently use Nikon, M42, Olympus OM lenses with a Canon DSLR(with suitable adapter). Pentax K will also work, but it's probably better to avoid these, as some of them (mainly non Pentax PK lenses) have problems with the aperture follower interfering with the Canon mechanism. When you buy the adapter, make sure you get one with the programmable chip. This allows focus confirm beep on a Canon DSLR, and the ability to adjust the front/back focus.

In fact, I use NON Canon lenses more often with a Canon DSLR than using Canon EF mount lenses!!!!



As others have said, you can use just about any lens with your Panasonic G3. Manual focusing is a breeze, with the MF enlargement area on the LCD/EVF.


PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cooltouch wrote:
Hey Brian, do you really have to have a DSLR? You might also want to consider a Sony NEX. The NEX 6 and 7 have an electronic viewfinder in addition to an articulating screen, so when you're working in bright sun, you can still see your subject clearly. Nice thing about a mirrorless camera like a NEX is it will take any lens you can think of with the right adapter. From C-mount to Canon FD, it can take them all.

I'm in a similar situation as you. I have an old DSLR and I need to upgrade. But I'm gonna go for a mirrorless camera because I have a large collection of Canon FD lenses and I want to be able to use them on a digital camera without having to use an adapter that contains a corrective glass element -- because those adapters don't work very well. I also own several Nikon lenses -- both AI and pre-AI mount, a few Pentax Ks and M42s, a few M39s, and three C-mount lenses. With a mirrorless like the NEX, I can adapt all of these mounts. Even though Canon EOS is very flexible as to the mounts that can be used, it won't take M39 or C-mount.

I've been a loyal Canon owner for over 30 years, but Canon still doesn't get it when it comes to mirrorless cameras. The EOS M is totally unappealing. But Sony does get it. Sony is due to announce an update for the 7 later this month, as well as a new full-frame mirrorless that's probably gonna sell in the $3000 range. Wish I could afford that one, but I'll be able to afford the 7 update + Lens Turbo, which should be almost as good.


The EOS-M is the first iteration of Canon's mirrorless. The main usefulness for most people is its easy compatibility with Canon EF lenses using an adapter (you can get an expensive Canon electronic adapter or a cheap $35 electronic one on ebay), but the AF is slow. However, the 22mm F2 lens is very nice, and it's handy to be able to attach any EF lens. The 18M pixel sensor is good, and the whole thing works well with MF lenses, which was my main purpose. It's also relatively cheap here in Japan.
I'll be interested to see what the next iteration of EOS-M brings.


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