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woodrim
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:00 am Post subject: Kalejnar 3B 150/2.8 |
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woodrim wrote:
I also see it referred to as Kaleinar; are they the same? Anyone know of this lens? I've sworn off buying more lenses, but this one has me thinking. _________________ Regards,
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Attila
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Orio have it ,I did relay to him this lens and try it out before, big MF lens with good quality.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/russian_lens/kaleinar_150mm_f2_8/? _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
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woodrim
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Thanks for the comments and pictures. After being quite impressed with the Kalejnar 100/2.8, I wondered if this lens might also be very good. With the fast speed, thought maybe a good portrait lens with good bokeh. _________________ Regards,
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
It's quite bulky (mine is in P6 mount). Found it fairly difficult to use on my nikon. Results are similar to those posted by Orio (in a technical sense ) I do not like it quite as much as the 100/2.8, which has better rendition in my view (colour, contrast and OOF)
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
With all due respect, I don't quite understand why the Kaleinar 100mm and 150mm ever come up in the same discussion. They are different focal lengths and different design schemes. They were made for different systems and more importantly, different formats. In addition they utilize very different coatings.
I emphasize this not to be rude but I've just heard this discussion framed as " if you like the 100mm try the 150mm" or "I don't have any experience with the 150mm but I have the 100mm (and visa versa)" several times. This is an incorrect comparison imho. It's no more correct than comparing a Volna 9 2.8/50 and a Volna 3 2.8/80. |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
What I like most about the K150 is the focal lenght. Longer than 135mm without being too long.
Often when using a 180mm lens in live events I find myself wishing for a little shorter FL.
150mm takes you a little closer than 135mm, without going too far.
What I like less is the size (like Patrick said, it is bulky) _________________ Orio, Administrator
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
themoleman342 wrote: |
With all due respect, I don't quite understand why the Kaleinar 100mm and 150mm ever come up in the same discussion. They are different focal lengths and different design schemes. They were made for different systems and more importantly, different formats. In addition they utilize very different coatings.
I emphasize this not to be rude but I've just heard this discussion framed as " if you like the 100mm try the 150mm" or "I don't have any experience with the 150mm but I have the 100mm (and visa versa)" several times. This is an incorrect comparison imho. It's no more correct than comparing a Volna 9 2.8/50 and a Volna 3 2.8/80. |
I'm not really that naive to think all lenses from any supplier are of the same quality (or design). However, I do know that some brands are consistently good, like Zeiss, Leica, and many others (please don't bring up the rare exceptions) and had simply wondered if this Kalejnar might live up to its little brother lens. I have no idea what the lens design is. I do also wonder about the name; is Kalejnar and Kaleinar just different spellings of the same name? _________________ Regards,
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Orio wrote: |
What I like most about the K150 is the focal lenght. Longer than 135mm without being too long.
Often when using a 180mm lens in live events I find myself wishing for a little shorter FL.
150mm takes you a little closer than 135mm, without going too far.
What I like less is the size (like Patrick said, it is bulky) |
I have a 150mm ISCO and agree it can fit in well for certain situations. However, despite being very good, mine is quite slow at f/4.5. In exchange for the speed, I don't mind a fat lens, but I do like my women fast and skinny. _________________ Regards,
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Smoli4
Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Posts: 606 Location: Haifa, Israel
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Smoli4 wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
but I do like my women fast and skinny. |
dam right i like em like so as well.. |
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sichko
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 2475 Location: South West UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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sichko wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
... is Kalejnar and Kaleinar just different spellings of the same name? |
Essentially yes. The Russian name is КАЛЕЙНАР. The letter "Й" has been transliterated variously as "i", "j", and "y" (and others as well) so that you can find Kaleinar, Kalejnar, Kaleynar ... _________________ John |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
I have a 150mm ISCO and agree it can fit in well for certain situations. However, despite being very good, mine is quite slow at f/4.5. In exchange for the speed, I don't mind a fat lens, but I do like my women fast and skinny. |
Fast and skinny women can run fast, not easy to catch
I like them roundish and soft. The round part comes out well with lenses, not so much the soft part unless you buy bad lenses _________________ Orio, Administrator
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woodrim
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
No, no, Orio, not that kind of fast. But in all honesty, I was never very good catching them anyway. Finally caught a good one that I've been married to for 35 years and two days. But we can still talk big, right? _________________ Regards,
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woodrim
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Orio: I'm still intrigued by this lens. Do you have any pictures that demonstrate the bokeh? Don't have to be wide open, but I'd love to see more close or medium distance shots that separate subject from background. _________________ Regards,
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
Orio: I'm still intrigued by this lens. Do you have any pictures that demonstrate the bokeh? Don't have to be wide open, but I'd love to see more close or medium distance shots that separate subject from background. |
I don't have, but I can take them (but not today, too scheduled) _________________ Orio, Administrator
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woodrim
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
At your convenience. Thank you. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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woodrim
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
I found this: http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/kaleinar/Interesting But I think is all from medium format. I would still like to see from APS size. Good stuff. _________________ Regards,
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woodrim
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Got one! _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Attila
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Cool! Look forward your great portraits! Congrats! _________________ -------------------------------
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woodrim
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
First portrait... wide open at f/2.8 1/60 sec.
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Attila
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Looks pretty good to me! _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I have to apologize for not coming back with the bokeh pictures. I completely forgot about them _________________ Orio, Administrator
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woodrim
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Orio wrote: |
I have to apologize for not coming back with the bokeh pictures. I completely forgot about them |
Easy to do at our age. Eh, my age. I've only taken a few pictures just to see sharpness at f/2.8 - it's a dim day anyway. One of the other pictures better demonstrated the sharpness at fully open. In my portrait, you need to find the point of focus within the hairy mess. I was actually please with it as my expectations were not high for wide open sharpness. Over the next week I will get plenty of use with it in various situations, so will be going it a good go. Just from this little bit I've tested, I think I'm going to like this lens. It may be another one where it needs to be used to its strengths and its weaknesses avoided. We'll see. _________________ Regards,
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woodrim
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
I've had two more opportunities to get out with this lens. Yesterday I got to one of my favorite places and photographed the usual subjects; boats, pelicans, and people. So far not a single picture has impressed me as being very sharp. It does do well fully open, but no picture so far, regardless of aperture is very crisp. However, light has been dim, my focusing off some, and I've stayed in the f/2.8 to f/4 range. I have also discovered a lot of haze that needs attention. There is a Skylight filter that will come off before the next outing. I need to get better at focusing this lens as the depth is shallow. I was also doing some of the focusing while stopped down and although I thought I was doing okay, I wasn't. Perhaps I can get away with that in better light. I have found spots in nearly every photo that were reasonably sharp, so my focusing is at fault and I should correct that before condemning the lens.
On the positive side, CA is very well controlled and I haven't done any CA correction at all. One needs to look very closely to find any, even in the CA inducing situations. I do like the bokeh, and of course it can get very creamy with this speed and focal length.
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Your results are in line with my experience of this lens, it is a classic portrait lens that does best at close to medium distances, less so at infinity.
It definitely needs a hood for best output. The bokeh is classy and again does best at portrait shots (which is what the lens was made for).
I love what you obtained with peperoni, fish and tomatos. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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