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Victor Nguyen wrote:
I'm looking for something with the optical quality like a Tokina 11-16 ( which can be done but it cost 3k) but manual. What are my options? Too hard to find good super ultra wide angle with not much distortion.
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wuxiekeji
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Are there any wide angle with non-massive distortion? |
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wuxiekeji wrote:
| Victor Nguyen wrote: |
| I'm looking for something with the optical quality like a Tokina 11-16 ( which can be done but it cost 3k) but manual. What are my options? Too hard to find good super ultra wide angle with not much distortion. |
note: Tokina 11-16 is only USD 750 new, not 3K
In the Zeiss camp there are lots of very low distortion lenses. Zeiss 2.8/15, 3.5/18, 2.8/21 all have very low distortion but they're all fairly expensive. 21 is said to be the best of the 3. If you're looking something cheaper try the Distagon 4/18 in Contax mount if you can live with f/4. If you're looking for something even cheaper that has almost dead zero distortion, look into the old Flektogon 4/20 or 2.8/20. But they're not extremely sharp wide open from what I hear.
Stay tuned also for the new Samyang 10mm, no word on the distortion yet.
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Victor Nguyen
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
It is 3.45k to be modded into a manual lens.
http://www.ducloslenses.com/products/duclos-11-16mm
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
3.45k for that is pretty stupid, then again, Zeiss and Cooke PL mount lenses are rather more expensive.
If you are shooting a wide angle lens wide open I think it's better to re-assess technique than find a better lens.
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wuxiekeji
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wuxiekeji wrote:
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| 3.45k for that is pretty stupid, then again, Zeiss and Cooke PL mount lenses are rather more expensive. |
Duclos 11-16 is a full cine mod, are you absolutely looking for (1) a cine mod, and (2) in PL mount?
Or are you after a fully-manual photographic lens that will fit your Canon/Nikon?
If the latter, the Zeiss ZE/ZF series are all about half the price of that 3.45k, and Zeiss Contax for even less.
If you want HDSLR cine lens on a budget, putting zip-tie focus gear on a Zeiss photo lens will actually work very decently for 99% of amateur cine work. Never tried to de-click a Zeiss aperture but I found it extremely easy to DIY de-click various other lenses with some care.
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Victor Nguyen
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
what zeiss contax wide angle are there? I'm looking for something wider than 20mm
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yinyangbt
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any wide angle with non-massive distortion? |
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yinyangbt wrote:
| wuxiekeji wrote: |
| Victor Nguyen wrote: |
| I'm looking for something with the optical quality like a Tokina 11-16 ( which can be done but it cost 3k) but manual. What are my options? Too hard to find good super ultra wide angle with not much distortion. |
note: Tokina 11-16 is only USD 750 new, not 3K
In the Zeiss camp there are lots of very low distortion lenses. Zeiss 2.8/15, 3.5/18, 2.8/21 all have very low distortion but they're all fairly expensive. 21 is said to be the best of the 3. If you're looking something cheaper try the Distagon 4/18 in Contax mount if you can live with f/4. If you're looking for something even cheaper that has almost dead zero distortion, look into the old Flektogon 4/20 or 2.8/20. But they're not extremely sharp wide open from what I hear.
Stay tuned also for the new Samyang 10mm, no word on the distortion yet. |
My Flek 20 2.8 s quite soft wide open ,improves clearly after 4 and very good at 8-11 . Maybe other copies are better. I've seen that the Exacta mount flektogons were a little cheaper than the M42 ones .But it seemes that with the mirrorless bodies , the prices grew up.
I got mine with 120 E , it's a MC version.
Flektogon 20/2.8 wide open ( I suspect that my copy has some "dreamy" effect )
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At f8 (If I remember corectly ) :
another very good wide lens is Tokina 17 / 3.5 , or , cheaper , the vivitar 17/3.5 , but i can't say that the distorsion is in the same league as Flektogon. But it's not monstruos
Vivitar 17mm :
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I've owned three copies of the Flek 20/2.8. All were super sharp in the middle, but had poor corners and sides all the way down until tiny apertures. I've just bought a Distagon 18/4 but haven't tried it yet (doesn't work on my 5D).
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ForenSeil wrote:
The Vivitar (Tokina) 17mm has a lot distortion in the 1.5x APS-C extreme corners but not much in the center, distortion overall is not eye-catching for normal use. But for large printed architecture it's no very well usable.
My Biogon 28/2.8 Contax G is a great lens with very low distortion and it's comparable cheap, but it can't be adapeted to DSLRs (only NEX, MFT,..)
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propellor
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propellor wrote:
Pentax SMC 3.5/15. Supposed to be the same recipe as the Zeiss one. But can be had a lot cheaper. (practically) no distortion.
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Victor Nguyen
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
| propellor wrote: |
| Pentax SMC 3.5/15. Supposed to be the same recipe as the Zeiss one. But can be had a lot cheaper. (practically) no distortion. |
can't seem to find it on ebay...can I buy yours? 
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Attila wrote:
| Victor Nguyen wrote: |
| propellor wrote: |
| Pentax SMC 3.5/15. Supposed to be the same recipe as the Zeiss one. But can be had a lot cheaper. (practically) no distortion. |
can't seem to find it on ebay...can I buy yours? |
Look keh.com as source too, periodically.
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wuxiekeji
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| I've owned three copies of the Flek 20/2.8. All were super sharp in the middle, but had poor corners and sides all the way down until tiny apertures. I've just bought a Distagon 18/4 but haven't tried it yet (doesn't work on my 5D). |
Should work fine on your 60D (looking at your signature). I've been a 18/4 on my 60D for a while and it's great. Mine's sharp at f/4 but not spectacular in the microcontrast department until f/8, but for landscape work I can live with f/8.
Being f/4 it's a terrible choice of wide-angle lens for indoor wide-angle action photography, so it may not make a fantastic cine lens, but it's great for the outdoors and for indoor architecture stills where you have the luxury of tripods.
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Attila wrote:
Flek 20mm f4 has zero distortion and way cheaper than big names.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:02 am Post subject: Re: Are there any wide angle with non-massive distortion? |
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RnR wrote:
| wuxiekeji wrote: |
| Victor Nguyen wrote: |
| I'm looking for something with the optical quality like a Tokina 11-16 ( which can be done but it cost 3k) but manual. What are my options? Too hard to find good super ultra wide angle with not much distortion. |
note: Tokina 11-16 is only USD 750 new, not 3K |
The Tokina 11-16 can also be switched into manual focus mode.
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Victor Nguyen
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:34 am Post subject: Re: Are there any wide angle with non-massive distortion? |
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
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note: Tokina 11-16 is only USD 750 new, not 3K |
The Tokina 11-16 can also be switched into manual focus mode. |
Ofcourse it can be switch into manual mode, but is it a manual lens? I like switching camera bodies around and what happen when I switch from Canon? Just wondering, anybody have the new Zeiss 15mm f 2.8?
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plasticmotif
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plasticmotif wrote:
Sigma 12-24 has relatively low distortion when you get in the middle ranges:
http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/676-sigma1224f4556iiff?start=1
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Victor Nguyen
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
it's variable and manual two things that I hate the most. Seems like I'm just gonna have to stick to my 24mm for now.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any wide angle with non-massive distortion? |
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Oreste wrote:
| Victor Nguyen wrote: |
| I'm looking for something with the optical quality like a Tokina 11-16 ( which can be done but it cost 3k) but manual. What are my options? Too hard to find good super ultra wide angle with not much distortion. |
A certain amount of distortion is unavoidable in that type of lens. |
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propellor
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propellor wrote:
| Victor Nguyen wrote: |
| propellor wrote: |
| Pentax SMC 3.5/15. Supposed to be the same recipe as the Zeiss one. But can be had a lot cheaper. (practically) no distortion. |
can't seem to find it on ebay...can I buy yours? |
Hhhmmmm, let me think about it,...................sorry, can't let go of it.
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Victor Nguyen
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
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Hhhmmmm, let me think about it,...................sorry, can't let go of it. |
I recommend you think over your answer a little longer, or I'm gonna make an offer you can't refuse. 
anyway, I looked that lens up in KEH I believe and it was around $1000. It's kinda slow for a $1000 lens though 
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sonyrokkor wrote:
CZJ 4/20 mm |
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sonyrokkor
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sonyrokkor wrote:
I apologize Attila, I didn't read you. 
The 4/20 CZJ is underrated but it's a very good lens, well used. |
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Orio wrote:
The best geometry corrected wide angle lenses are those made for rangefinder cameras by herr Carl Zeiss (well, his heirs actually) in Oberkochen:
- ZM Biogon 2/35
- ZM Biogon 2.8/25
- ZM C Biogon 4.5/21
Those three lenses have virtually zero distortion (the 2/35 being as close to zero as lensesly possible).
Of course in order to use those you need either a rangefinder camera or an EVIL compatible camera such as Nex.
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Attila wrote:
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I apologize Attila, I didn't read you.
The 4/20 CZJ is underrated but it's a very good lens, well used. |
Nobody else read it too never mind.
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