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my_photography
Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2772 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:08 am Post subject: Canon 5D MK III |
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my_photography wrote:
Canon has finally announced the 5D Mk III. The new 22.3 Mpixels camera is its answer to Nikon D800. Maybe and maybe not. The good news is it is using some of the 1Dx technology.
Some interesting facts:
Sensor: 22.3 mp Fullframe (36.0mm x 24.0mm) CMOS
ISO: 100-25,600
Processor: Digic 5+
Focusing point: 61 point
Drive: 6fps
Storage: CF, SD
Display: 1.04 million. 3.2 inch LCD
Video: Full HD with manual control
Shutter life: 150,000
Price: $3499 (or €3299) with 24-105mm lens: $4299
How does it compared to the other:
Here is an interesting table: http://gizmodo.com/5889783/the-canon-5d-mark-iii-comparison-how-it-stacks-up-to-other-cameras
Good news for many here is Canon is keeping 5D Mk II alive and selling it cheaper.
More news:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/03/02/Canon-5D-Mark-III
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_5d_mark_iii#Features _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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spoilerhead
Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 68 Location: Austria
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:25 am Post subject: |
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spoilerhead wrote:
looking at http://www.dpreview.com/previews/CanonEOS5DMarkIII/images/sensor.jpg it seems that it won't officially support different focusing screens (no release thingy)
compare to the 5d2:
http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS5DMarkII/Images/mount01.jpg _________________ Eos (A/D) + M42 |
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my_photography
Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2772 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:53 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
You might be right. I just check the specs from Canon site:
For 5D MKII Focusing Screens it writes:
"Focusing Screen Interchangeable (Eg-D: Grid lines, Eg-S [point of Focus], Eg-A standard focusing screen provided" (http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_5d_mark_ii#Specifications)
but for 5D MKIII focusing screen it writes "Focusing Screen Fixed (http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_5d_mark_iii#Specifications)
Canon, what have you done? _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Confirmation
http://blog.jeffascough.com/photographers/2012/03/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-review.html
"The viewfinder is a world away from the 5D Mark II. Now we have 100% coverage which does make a huge difference. It is glorious to use, with a lovely bright image and even with spectacles I found it easy to see all the edges of the frame. The eye relief is just about right. The AF points are projected onto the focusing screen like the 7D and 1DX but it does mean that you can’t change focusing screens like the earlier models." _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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Nikos
Joined: 17 May 2010 Posts: 1077 Location: Greece
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
I am not impressed by this announcement.
Adding the focusing screen issue, which is very painful for MF lenses lovers like us, I am rather disappointed.
I am glad I have bought a NEX-5N, which can also shoot 1080p video at 50 fps. Also the AF works properly during video. _________________ Νίκος • www.diafragma.gr
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D Mark II, Sony α7R, Sony NEX-5N
MF lenses:
SLR:
Canon TS-E 17mm f/4, Zeiss 2.8/21 ZE, Zeiss 2/28 Contax, Zeiss 2/35 ZE, Zeiss 1.4/50 Contax, Zeiss 1.4/85 Contax, Zeiss Makro 2/100 ZE,
Zeiss 2/135 Contax, Zeiss 2.8/135 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 35-70 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 100-300 Contax, Zeiss F-Distagon Rollei, Canon FD 24mm f2, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8
Rangefinder:
Zeiss 4.5/21 C Biogon ZM, Zeiss 2/35 Biogon ZM, Voigtländer 15mm f/4.5 Heliar L39, Leica Tele-Elmarit 2.8/90mm, Zeiss 2/45 Contax G, Zeiss 2.8/90 Contax G, Canon 50mm 1.8 LTM
AF lenses: Canon 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye, Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L, Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L IS II, Canon 70-200 f/4 L, Canon 300 f/4 L IS, Canon 100 f/2.8 macro
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AhamB
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 733 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
Same here, unimpressed so far. If the sensor performs significantly better at ISO 100, it might be more interesting. |
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spoilerhead
Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 68 Location: Austria
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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spoilerhead wrote:
I wonder if it will still have the mirror problem of the mk1 and mk2. Maybe Canon finally redesigned the mirror box for the 5d3? _________________ Eos (A/D) + M42 |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
spoilerhead wrote: |
I wonder if it will still have the mirror problem of the mk1 and mk2. Maybe Canon finally redesigned the mirror box for the 5d3? |
Well Canon haven't changed the register distance, and the mirror is unlikely to be any smaller, so I imagine the problems would remain I'm afraid. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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spoilerhead
Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 68 Location: Austria
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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spoilerhead wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Well Canon haven't changed the register distance, and the mirror is unlikely to be any smaller, so I imagine the problems would remain I'm afraid. |
Well, afaik the 1ds3 didn't have as many problems with lenses as the 5d2, neither does my good old EOS3, so there is something that can be done _________________ Eos (A/D) + M42 |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
spoilerhead wrote: |
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Well Canon haven't changed the register distance, and the mirror is unlikely to be any smaller, so I imagine the problems would remain I'm afraid. |
Well, afaik the 1ds3 didn't have as many problems with lenses as the 5d2, neither does my good old EOS3, so there is something that can be done |
Sorry, I thought that had been dis-proved, but a quick Google reveals otherwise Maybe there is hope then! But still no focus screen for fast lenses _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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spoilerhead
Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 68 Location: Austria
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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spoilerhead wrote:
well, when its available someone will mount some good old sweeties on it
about focusing screens: i guess katzeye will get some customers, they got screens for the 7d, too (with a similar lcd overlay as the 5d3) _________________ Eos (A/D) + M42 |
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Arkku
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Well Canon haven't changed the register distance, and the mirror is unlikely to be any smaller, so I imagine the problems would remain I'm afraid. |
Sony's A900 (also 100% viewfinder) has a mirror hinged differently* than usual so that it doesn't swing forward as much, so theoretically it could possibly be solved but Canon doesn't really have any reason to go to the extra trouble and expense as it's not their lenses that are problematic.
* Mirror swing animation on this page, search for “mirror lifts”. |
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AhamB
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 733 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
spoilerhead wrote: |
I wonder if it will still have the mirror problem of the mk1 and mk2. Maybe Canon finally redesigned the mirror box for the 5d3? |
Well Canon haven't changed the register distance, and the mirror is unlikely to be any smaller, so I imagine the problems would remain I'm afraid. |
From http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-11675-12364
"The mirror mechanism has been reworked to accommodate the camera's faster frame rate. The main difference is better stability - less bounce - when the mechanism is in the down position."
This might turn out to be either good or bad for alt lenses. |
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Bruce
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote:
14-bit A/D Conversion
Isnt that the same as the mkII? _________________ Digital: Canon 40d & 5DmkII, Film: Hasselblad 203fe/Zeiss 80/2.8 cfe
Adapters for EOS: Cy; M42; Zenit39; Exakta; LeicaR; OlympusOM; PK; Nikon; Rollei35; Retina; Adaptal; P-6 |
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spoilerhead
Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 68 Location: Austria
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: |
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spoilerhead wrote:
all canons in the last years (i think only with the 1000d as exception) had 14bit A/D converters _________________ Eos (A/D) + M42 |
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Spotmatic
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AhamB
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 733 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
Agreed. Looks like the smeared pixels from a P&S. The landscape shots are especially bad. |
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Nikos
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
AhamB wrote: |
Agreed. Looks like the smeared pixels from a P&S. The landscape shots are especially bad. |
Regarding the landscapes, the 17-40mm is clearly not up to the job.
I sold it a few years ago, when it disappointed me on the original 12MP 5D... _________________ Νίκος • www.diafragma.gr
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D Mark II, Sony α7R, Sony NEX-5N
MF lenses:
SLR:
Canon TS-E 17mm f/4, Zeiss 2.8/21 ZE, Zeiss 2/28 Contax, Zeiss 2/35 ZE, Zeiss 1.4/50 Contax, Zeiss 1.4/85 Contax, Zeiss Makro 2/100 ZE,
Zeiss 2/135 Contax, Zeiss 2.8/135 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 35-70 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 100-300 Contax, Zeiss F-Distagon Rollei, Canon FD 24mm f2, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8
Rangefinder:
Zeiss 4.5/21 C Biogon ZM, Zeiss 2/35 Biogon ZM, Voigtländer 15mm f/4.5 Heliar L39, Leica Tele-Elmarit 2.8/90mm, Zeiss 2/45 Contax G, Zeiss 2.8/90 Contax G, Canon 50mm 1.8 LTM
AF lenses: Canon 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye, Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L, Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L IS II, Canon 70-200 f/4 L, Canon 300 f/4 L IS, Canon 100 f/2.8 macro
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Olivier
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
When I bought the 5D MkII, I had a lenses' dilemna. Which one should I choose ?
The 17-40 and 24-105 were the most adviced, but always some caracteristics made me hesitate. At these prices, I found the max aperture to high with F4, then distorsion was an issue.
Everybody told me to look at the 24-70 f:2.8. What I saw and felt was good but the cost was so high that I prefered to buy the Tamron SP 28-75mm f:2.8. I didn't regret my choice because it is an excellent price quality ratio.
But, I still wonder what would be the best choice in Canon lenses for the Canon 5D MkII...
Maybe the 16-35 f:2.8 ? _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
SLr and MF lenses : for feedback and helping people, cameras and lenses I own : full list here http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1442740.html#1442740 |
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Lindman
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 31 Location: Tallinn, Estonia
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Lindman wrote:
Care to say why the 17-40mm is bad/good. I'm thinking about getting one for my crop sensor body and it seems to be in a reasonable price range for me. I don't mind f4 and 16-35mm f2.8costs twice as much :/ |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I'm continually amazed at the poor quality image samples both Nikon and Canon have been using recently, for even their flagship models Apparently the 5D II samples were awful as well _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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my_photography
Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2772 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:15 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
I'm continually amazed at the poor quality image samples both Nikon and Canon have been using recently, for even their flagship models Apparently the 5D II samples were awful as well |
They should hire someone from this forum to shoot for them. _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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Nikos
Joined: 17 May 2010 Posts: 1077 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
my_photography wrote: |
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
I'm continually amazed at the poor quality image samples both Nikon and Canon have been using recently, for even their flagship models Apparently the 5D II samples were awful as well |
They should hire someone from this forum to shoot for them. |
Why not?
However, Peter's concern was about image quality. Not about composition or aesthetics. _________________ Νίκος • www.diafragma.gr
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D Mark II, Sony α7R, Sony NEX-5N
MF lenses:
SLR:
Canon TS-E 17mm f/4, Zeiss 2.8/21 ZE, Zeiss 2/28 Contax, Zeiss 2/35 ZE, Zeiss 1.4/50 Contax, Zeiss 1.4/85 Contax, Zeiss Makro 2/100 ZE,
Zeiss 2/135 Contax, Zeiss 2.8/135 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 35-70 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 100-300 Contax, Zeiss F-Distagon Rollei, Canon FD 24mm f2, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8
Rangefinder:
Zeiss 4.5/21 C Biogon ZM, Zeiss 2/35 Biogon ZM, Voigtländer 15mm f/4.5 Heliar L39, Leica Tele-Elmarit 2.8/90mm, Zeiss 2/45 Contax G, Zeiss 2.8/90 Contax G, Canon 50mm 1.8 LTM
AF lenses: Canon 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye, Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L, Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L IS II, Canon 70-200 f/4 L, Canon 300 f/4 L IS, Canon 100 f/2.8 macro
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Nikos
Joined: 17 May 2010 Posts: 1077 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
Lindman wrote: |
Care to say why the 17-40mm is bad/good. I'm thinking about getting one for my crop sensor body and it seems to be in a reasonable price range for me. I don't mind f4 and 16-35mm f2.8costs twice as much :/ |
The 17-40 has very bad corners.
However, the 16-35, esp. the first version, does not do much better.
Why do you think we ended up with MF Zeiss lenses?
The best all-around Canon lens is, by far, the 24-70. But is BIG. _________________ Νίκος • www.diafragma.gr
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D Mark II, Sony α7R, Sony NEX-5N
MF lenses:
SLR:
Canon TS-E 17mm f/4, Zeiss 2.8/21 ZE, Zeiss 2/28 Contax, Zeiss 2/35 ZE, Zeiss 1.4/50 Contax, Zeiss 1.4/85 Contax, Zeiss Makro 2/100 ZE,
Zeiss 2/135 Contax, Zeiss 2.8/135 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 35-70 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 100-300 Contax, Zeiss F-Distagon Rollei, Canon FD 24mm f2, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8
Rangefinder:
Zeiss 4.5/21 C Biogon ZM, Zeiss 2/35 Biogon ZM, Voigtländer 15mm f/4.5 Heliar L39, Leica Tele-Elmarit 2.8/90mm, Zeiss 2/45 Contax G, Zeiss 2.8/90 Contax G, Canon 50mm 1.8 LTM
AF lenses: Canon 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye, Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L, Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L IS II, Canon 70-200 f/4 L, Canon 300 f/4 L IS, Canon 100 f/2.8 macro
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trifox
Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3614 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
my_photography wrote: |
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
I'm continually amazed at the poor quality image samples both Nikon and Canon have been using recently, for even their flagship models Apparently the 5D II samples were awful as well |
They should hire someone from this forum to shoot for them. |
and mount proper Contax Carl Zeiss lenses on them.
tf _________________ Flickr.com |
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