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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:00 am Post subject: Is fixer getting rare? [was: 400 135 film] |
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kansalliskala wrote:
[Is 400 135 film really getting rare?
Can't really see many entries on *bay.] _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E
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berraneck
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 972 Location: prague, czech republic
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: |
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berraneck wrote:
colour or BW? I don´t watch at ebay, but there are plenty of fresh and old stocks in my country.. is it so bad in finland? _________________ equipment doesn´t count, good photographs do |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:16 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Sorry,
Black & White
I'm looking cheaper alternatives than Ilford 7€ / roll. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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berraneck
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 972 Location: prague, czech republic
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:11 am Post subject: |
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berraneck wrote:
If you don´t mind Kodak Tri-x (as it has bit different tonality than HP5+), you can buy it rebadged as Arista Premium from Freestylephoto
http://freestylephoto.biz/192364-Arista-Premium-BandW-400-ISO-35mm-x-36-exp.
so far I know, it´s the cheapest new-stock solution. They also have some nice prices on other films - just search their eshop. Funny is that price including shipping, import duties and taxes in EU... wait for it... is cheaper or the same as UK suppliers.
edit: and if you don´t have problem with bulk loading, try to search for cine Kodak Double-X. It is ussualy provided in 400ft rolls, but it has really great tonality (do you know movie Control from Anton Corbijn? it was shoot on this and Plus-X) so it is worth some uncomfortable handling. _________________ equipment doesn´t count, good photographs do |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Thank you, interesting site, Holgas and Leicas. But really good prices.
I thought that Tri-X needs its own development chemicals but it doesn't? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
Tri-X is the universal B&W film the way D-76 is the universal developer - you should be able to find dev times for just about any developer you have in mind for Tri-X
The damn stuff has one foible: it curls like hell, in both directions. _________________ -Jussi
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Nesster wrote: |
The damn stuff has one foible: it curls like hell, in both directions. |
Agfa APX too. I dried it in our greenhouse (most dust-free place in our home because of the dogs), we watched it to climb upwards like a snake. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Orio
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
Nesster wrote: |
The damn stuff has one foible: it curls like hell, in both directions. |
Agfa APX too. I dried it in our greenhouse (most dust-free place in our home because of the dogs), we watched it to climb upwards like a snake. |
Use pegs at both ends
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Orio
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
400 ISO film has never been cheap even in the "good old times", but 7 Euros is insane price!
Buy from my friend Dario at Westernphoto, he has very good prices:
http://www.westernphoto.it/sell-online/Ilford-9 _________________ Orio, Administrator
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Use pegs at both ends |
Tried that, the damn thing curves around the axis and it's impossible to get into scanner. If you let it roll other way it is slightly easier to handle. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Thanks, 4,72 sounds much more acceptable.
This is my standard shop, and I still have to drive there or send my brother-in-law to get the stuff.
http://tinyurl.com/dy9a4hw _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
7dayshop.com have always been good to deal with, their delivery is quick and relable.
http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=777
I don't know how their prices compare to yours in Euro's, but it's worth a look. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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Attila
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
There is ISO400 bulk film from FOMA 42 EUR enough for 24 pcs 24 frames roll. Less than 2 EUR /roll _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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martinsmith99
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 6:11 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
Orio wrote: |
Use pegs at both ends |
Tried that, the damn thing curves around the axis and it's impossible to get into scanner. If you let it roll other way it is slightly easier to handle. |
I use Patterson clips and I've never had an issue with Tri-X. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 7:38 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I use Patterson clips and I've never had an issue with Tri-X. |
Do you cut the negatives before drying? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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IANUS
Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 276 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:11 am Post subject: |
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IANUS wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
Sorry,
Black & White
I'm looking cheaper alternatives than Ilford 7€ / roll. |
7€ sounds a bit steep. I buy most of my films at an online-shop here in Germany (www.macodirect.de). They have plenty of different brands and of course some choices for iso 400. Cheapest would be the Rollei Retro 400 for less than 3€ if you buy a 20pieces pack. I think Fomapan 400 is also quite cheap and Ilford HP5 costs less than 5EUR. |
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berraneck
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 972 Location: prague, czech republic
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:29 am Post subject: |
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berraneck wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I use Patterson clips and I've never had an issue with Tri-X. |
Do you cut the negatives before drying? |
It´s not needed to cut it before drying - if you put these quite heavy clips on the end of film (heavy in comparison with film), it won´t climb up. It turns a bit in one axis, but you may flatten it in negative carriers under books for few days and they get totally flat. Also I wouldn´t cut it before drying, because you can damage the film accidentaly and any manipulation leads to small dust glued into emulsion, which cannot be taken off. _________________ equipment doesn´t count, good photographs do |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
I use Yashica promotional clothes-pin like plastic clips. One at the bottom, and there's no curling while drying.
However, as soon as I start to cut the film into strips after drying, it's curl time. Putting the film in sleeves and under a weight for some long period helps. I've seen others here say to put the film, rolled up in reverse, in a film canister.
Tri-X is really one of the big offenders in this... once on the scanner, if you've managed to get it reasonably flat longitudinally, there's still a big dishing curl across the film. I've bought some anr glass inserts to deal with this, though haven't used them yet.
I used to avoid Kodak b&w just for this curling reason... but have a large stash of it thanks to daughter's photo class last year. _________________ -Jussi
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Nesster wrote: |
II've seen others here say to put the film, rolled up in reverse, in a film canister. |
I once dried a strip of film in spiral. It didn'r curle axially but left some strange marks on the negative.
like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lentille_de_fresnel.jpg _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
berraneck wrote: |
kansalliskala wrote: |
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I use Patterson clips and I've never had an issue with Tri-X. |
Do you cut the negatives before drying? |
It´s not needed to cut it before drying - if you put these quite heavy clips on the end of film (heavy in comparison with film), it won´t climb up. It turns a bit in one axis, but you may flatten it in negative carriers under books for few days and they get totally flat. Also I wouldn´t cut it before drying, because you can damage the film accidentaly and any manipulation leads to small dust glued into emulsion, which cannot be taken off. |
+1
allow 24 hrs drying in a dry place hanged with clips at both ends
Never cut the film in the first 24 hrs
After one day, cut the strips and put them between two sheets of parchment paper, then put a heavy book over.
Leave there another 24 hours, then scan, and then put the strips inside proper archival sheets. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:03 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Orio wrote: |
allow 24 hrs drying in a dry place hanged with clips at both ends
Never cut the film in the first 24 hrs
After one day, cut the strips and put them between two sheets of parchment paper, then put a heavy book over.
Leave there another 24 hours, then scan, and then put the strips inside proper archival sheets. |
Ok, thank you.
I understand now one thing. It isn't the water that dries but the film itself. This explains a lot. I been doing the book thing already but with little effect. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Not many fixers available any more. Tricky to order online.
Fix AG and Ilford Rapid only choices locally?
edit: update: just ordered some from ebay.de _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:49 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I make my own fixer from Sodium Thiosulphate crystals, I dissolve 500g in 2l of water, works perfect, I've used it on many films and it lasts for about 20-25 films.
_________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
How much one had to dilute this?
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Sodium thiosulfate, solution 0,1 mol/l (0,1 N) |
_________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Orio
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
You can order the excellent Ornano Superfix F 205 directly at the factory, along with the other surviving products of the formerly large line of photo chemicals.
It's an Ammonium Thiosulfate based fixer with very rapid action and long shelf life. You can use it for both film (1+4 dilution) and paper (1+9 dilution)
1 liter of concentrated product costs 9 Euros; they make also bulk offers (10 liters for 50 Euros).
ornano@ornano.it _________________ Orio, Administrator
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