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tardegardo
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 Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:35 am Post subject: Suggest me a wide open, please |
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tardegardo wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have a m4/3 and a canon 5dmk2 and looking for a really wide (but no fisheye) mf lens.
5dmk2 has a 24-105 and the m4/3 e-pl2 a 17mm.
I have seen many beautiful mf lenses here, but most of them start from 24, 28mm.
Is there anything wider, maybe luminous I could mount on both my cameras?
(except the canon fd 17mm which is maybe too pricey….)
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Pontus wrote:
Olympus Zuiko OM 18/3.5 or Contax Zeiss 18/4. If you go for the Contax you need to be sure that you get the right version so that the mirror on your 5DmkII doesn't hit the lens. The Zuiko is more even but the Contax is sharper in the middle, making it a very nice choice for the m4/3. Both are very very nice lenses.
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tardegardo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:07 am Post subject: |
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tardegardo wrote:
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| Olympus Zuiko OM 18/3.5 or Contax Zeiss 18/4. If you go for the Contax you need to be sure that you get the right version so that the mirror on your 5DmkII doesn't hit the lens. The Zuiko is more even but the Contax is sharper in the middle, making it a very nice choice for the m4/3. Both are very very nice lenses. |
thank you!
but how can I tell the Contax Zeiss 18/4 is the one that doesn't hit lens? |
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Pontus wrote:
I don't know, but I'm sure that someone here can answer that question. You will also find a lot of information on the subject by doing a simple google search. Thjere is an AE and an MM version of the lens. I think that the AE version will work without modification while you would have to shave either the mirror of your camera or the back of the lens if you choose the MM version.
But it could be the other way around 
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tardegardo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:18 am Post subject: |
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tardegardo wrote:
| Pontus wrote: |
| I don't know, but I'm sure that someone here can answer that question. You will also find a lot of information on the subject by doing a simple google search. |
Great,
thanks a lot |
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tardegardo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:22 am Post subject: |
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tardegardo wrote:
Well, I see it is a 500 euros/dollars lens!
I was actually looking for something a bit cheaper… |
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Pontus
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Pontus wrote:
Maybe a Tokina 17/3.5 then or a Vivitar 19/3.8
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tardegardo
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tardegardo wrote:
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| Maybe a Tokina 17/3.5 then or a Vivitar 19/3.8 |
this is the tokina?
http://www.prime-junta.net/pont/Reviews/d_Tokina_AT-X_17mm/a_Tokina_AT-X_17_mm.html |
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Pontus
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Pontus wrote:
That's the newer AF version. You need the older MF version with an aperture ring.
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IAZA wrote:
Tokina ATX is newer version.
there's also;
Tamron 17/3,5
CZ Flektogon 20mm f4 & 2,8, Flektogon 25/4
mamiya 21/4
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Old super-wide lenses are generally either:
1. Not that good
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2. Very expensive
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3. Both
Technology wasn't as advanced back then, so super-wide lenses were not very common. Personally I would get something modern e.g. Samyang 14/2.8.
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Pontus wrote:
Ah, the Samyang 14/2.8. Good lens! But 14mm is REALLY wide (too wide for my tastes anyway) on a full frame camera and the lens is HUGE on most m4/3 cameras.
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tardegardo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:09 am Post subject: |
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tardegardo wrote:
| Pontus wrote: |
| Ah, the Samyang 14/2.8. Good lens! But 14mm is REALLY wide (too wide for my tastes anyway) on a full frame camera and the lens is HUGE on most m4/3 cameras. |
Yeah, I know that lens, and love it,
pretty hard to find here, though. |
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walter g wrote:
Is 20mm wide enough? Height 35.5mm, Diameter 63.5mm, and weight 209 Grams.
http://forum.mflenses.com/testing-my-lenses-part-35-nikkor-20mm-4-t38523,highlight,%2Btesting+%2Blenses.html
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tardegardo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:24 am Post subject: |
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tardegardo wrote:
Nice lens, but no, was looking for something wider, also considering I'll use it on a m4/3 too.
Samyang 14/2.8 would be actually perfect. |
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tardegardo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:25 am Post subject: |
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tardegardo wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Old super-wide lenses are generally either:
1. Not that good
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2. Very expensive
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3. Both
Technology wasn't as advanced back then, so super-wide lenses were not very common. Personally I would get something modern e.g. Samyang 14/2.8. |
Exactly |
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ForenSeil wrote:
+1 for Samyang 14mm
+very sharp
+contrasty
+good flare control
+fair price
-some visible distortion (which is correctable in PP)
-size (not an issue on an 5DMKII though  )
If you wan't something cheaper - go for Tokina RMC 3.5/17 which is also a nice lens
Examples (most on Sony A900 FF Body): http://www.dyxum.com/DFORUM/topic70028.html
Techn. Info and User-Reviews: http://www.dyxum.com/lenses/Samyang-14mm-F2.8-IF-ED-UMC-Aspherical-_lens604.html
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:14 am Post subject: |
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tardegardo wrote:
| ForenSeil wrote: |
+1 for Samyang 14mm
+very sharp
+contrasty
+good flare control
+fair price
-some visible distortion (which is correctable in PP)
-size
If you wan't something cheaper - go for Tokina RMC 3.5/17 which is also a nice lens |
Thank you ForenSeil! |
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gorbesz wrote:
I love my CZJ Flek 4/20 on my 500D
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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RioRico wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Old super-wide lenses are generally either:
1. Not that good
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2. Very expensive
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3. Both
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Exactly right. IMHO some decent old UWAs (which I have experienced) include:
* Tokina-made 21/3.8 (variously badged as Lentar, Soligor, Vivitar, Spiratone, etc)
- (and there's a Spiratone 20/2.8 with crazy bokeh -- discussed here, for sale here)
* Cosina-made 19-35/3.5-4.5 (also variously badged -- mine is Vivitar Series 1)
* Zenitar 16/2.8 -- not really fishy on APS, should be even less so on m4/3
Are many many others which I haven't experienced. See above recommendations.
But generally, these terms are mutually exclusive: old, wide, good, inexpensive.
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I also recommend the Tokina RMC 3.5/17. It's around 150eu, maybe a little more. You won't find a better lens around that length without paying much more imho.
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pretty hard to find here, though. |
There's the Internet...
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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tardegardo wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
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pretty hard to find here, though. |
There's the Internet... |
Yes, thank you. I meant used. |
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Aanything wrote:
As stated many times above, old uwa's are rare, often expensive, almost always not good.
The tokina 17 seems the most rational choice, from the images and comments posted in this forum.
Also, sigma YS 18/3.2 can be found cheap, and it's decent. But nothing more than that.
I have a crush on the zenitar 16 (I bought one recently), but it's a fisheye, and sometimes quite unpredictable.
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Don't forget the Tamron SP 17/3.5 which is better than the Tokina IMO.
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