This is what 20 grands worth of IQ looks like

[iangreenhalgh1]

Leica are extracting the urine again...

http://mos.futurenet.com/techradar/Review%20images/PhotoRadar/Leica%20S2/if11018-1000013.jpg

http://mos.futurenet.com/techradar/Review%20images/PhotoRadar/Leica%20S2/if11018-1000027.jpg

I don't see anything special at all...

Sample images from the S2.

[F16SUNSHINE]

What is the point of the constant Leica bashing Ian?
Why is it so important to keep thumping away at Leica?
The price of Leica? is that it? It seems so personal for some here.
Who really gives a rats butt if Leica can make a fat profit?

[sichko]

Pictures are from this review.

[iangreenhalgh1]

[F16SUNSHINE]

[iangreenhalgh1]

If you can remove the negativity from your viewpoint then surely it will be come obvious?

This is a discussion forum....

Discuss being the operative here....

You having a bad day?

[F16SUNSHINE]

I asked you a question. Questions are part of discussion. Did you miss that point?
Keep avoiding the question. Here it is again... Why do you bash Leica?

[iangreenhalgh1]

I don't continually bash Leica, that's a figment of your imagination.

Let me ask you a question? Why the shitty attitude? This isn't the first time...

Are you this rude in face-to-face discussions? I find you quite offensive.

[LucisPictor]

This thread definitely had to move to the oversized category.
I think it would have been a good idea to just link to those massive images.
It's almost impossible to use the forum features now, due to the constant left and right srcolling.

And BTW, I neither can see the point here.

[iangreenhalgh1]

Sorry Carsten, I thought the forum automatically resized them.

[F16SUNSHINE]

Actually I'm having a great day. Thank you
If you feel like I'm coming right at you well, I'm sorry to touch your nerve.
I just don't understand the point of this post and your comments.
Neither do others apparently. What is it you are trying to say if you are actually not "bashing leica"?
Yes, it's an expensive camera and lens....... and

[iangreenhalgh1]

and I don't care for your attitude one jot so I'd appreciate it if you directed it at someone else as i certainly won't be replying to anything you have to say anymore.

Never occurred to you to discuss the sample images at all did it, you went immediately for negativity and attack mode.

Where I come from this would be seen as something of a character flaw.

[LucisPictor]

Oh, come on, guys. No need to stab each other!

[F16SUNSHINE]

OK, have it your way.
Clearly You have an opinion that is not to be challenged in discussion.
Since it was your post and comments I have questioned obviously to you it could only naturally have been a personal attack.
I suppose in the future you might make open ended rather than close ended comments if you would like the same from other members.
By ignoring me you have capitulated. That's your choice.

[visualopsins]

My US$100K camera budget would be spent on a Hassleblad

I like to continually ask the question "is Leica worth it?" just like "is Zeiss worth it?" and "is Canon L worth it". I know that while old MF glass isn't that good, it isn't far off being very nearly as good in many cases, for fraction of cost. Excellent photo examples from the MF lenses could be seen as a continual stream of "take this, Leica!", "take that Canon L!", i.e., as friendly jabs taken in good fun.

The review photos don't convince me either that Leica is worth the extra $$$$$$$. Then I've also seen other results that make me want it. If I had that budget I would, just like I've tried a bunch of other lenses. And then I would be able to answer for myself the "is it worth it?" question.

The other factor is budget. If I had US$100K for my pocket change, Leica wouldn't seem that much more than other brands, eh?

I would ask "Are you bashing Leica?", but I already know the answer is "No".

[ManualFocus-G]

Ian have you read the review? This is a camera for professionals, and it appears to be pretty good for that purpose 37mp must be very useful for fashion work and bill boards, but it will be interesting to see how close the Nikon D800 comes with its 36mp sensor. I would imagine the medium format sensor would give better results at low ISO, but that will remain to be seen.

[trifox]

I also do not see anything special .. but ...

hold on! I have noticed one thing - urine! that's very special !!!

is that new a film developer for 20 grounds?

I have fully understood Ian's post

He wants to say that Leica has announced new developer just for 20 grounds one pack and you can boost image quality up to 40mpx using cheap scanner?

Am I missing something?


tf

[iangreenhalgh1]

[iangreenhalgh1]

[Kram]

[David]

I'm not sold that I couldn't capture those images on my K-7 with one of many lenses. My view on Leica -- being that I've never used one -- is simply that I could grab those shots on one of many other 'lesser' digital cameras. Sure, it may require a bit of post-processing to get the same detail as a Leica straight out of the camera, but I'm not sure that for me the difference is worth it. That said, I'm also not Leica's target market, because I'm poor. I see Leica this way: If someone can buy a Nissan GTR, they buy it and pay up front for the whole thing because, for them, $85K on a car is no big thing. For me, buying a 2005 Honda Civic took some soul searching because it was $17K. Even being knocked down $6K from invoice (this is all seven years ago, let me clarify), I still wondered if I really needed THAT much car. I mean heck, it has a power moon roof. MOON ROOF!

So I think that the people who would spend Leica money on a Leica camera are likely to want the added whatever that Leica provides. And, in fairness, from what I've read they make exceptional gear.

And yes, I do also believe that Zeiss and Canon L glass provide a meaningfully higher image quality than most anything I can afford. So, yeah, material and engineering quality matter in this field. That said, is an image's quality defined solely by acutance between pixels, color rendition, and lack of chromatic distortion? I argue that no, many other factors contribute to an image. Basic image quality cannot make a person pause and FEEL an emotion from a subject. Better color rendition cannot convey a scene's human interest any better than an amateur-level DSLR. And chromatic aberrations, while annoying, can be corrected in post processing with some quick steps that don't overly impair an image.

And yes, a GTR is vastly superior to my Civic, as a Leica camera is vastly superior to anything on my shelf, but ultimately, I'd get to the BART station at the same time in a GTR as in my Civic. And I'd get the same basic images with a Leica as I do with my K-7 or the D200 I'm getting next month. The gear can help a fantastic photographer make great photographs, but it cannot make a great photographer of a snapshotist.

[Spotmatic]

I don't give a rat's ass about Leica, but... I noticed that those sample pictures were posted in a TechRadar review. Guess what - I also don't give a rat's ass about reviews done by tech sites. Most tech reviewers are really clueless and don't know how to take quality shots, sorry. So those samples are pretty meaningless.

Give me a S2 alongside a 645D and I'll show y'all what quality means

[poilu]

[LucisPictor]

[Orio]