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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 10:27 am Post subject: Canon 5D MkI with bad LCD display, what to do? |
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Spotmatic wrote:
I have my 5D MkI for a few months now, but I'm getting really fed up with the back LCD display. It has a yellow color cast and it is absolutely not contrasty at all. One can even say that the picture is sepia colored. Heck, even my old *ist DS from 2004 has a better display! Even the most lively of subjects look dead on that screen, and that's not a joke.
Changing the LCD's brightness does not change anything, other than that it goes from bad to worse.
The photos are good though, but it really is irritating.
Does anyone know if this is a common problem with the 5D? Was/is there a replacement program from Canon? Mine is more than 2 years old now, so I'm sure it does not have warranty anymore. _________________ Peter - Moderator
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rawhead
Joined: 09 Feb 2009 Posts: 1525 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 11:43 am Post subject: |
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rawhead wrote:
Yup, same here. One of the first things I noticed when I got my 5D. Makes all photos, even good ones, look like utter crap. When I shoot with my K20D, it's a relief because I can *actually* gauge the quality of the shot in the field. With the 5D, nope.
Guess it's kinda like the good ol' film days. Get the settings right, compose, shoot, and pray you did everything right _________________ Sony α7R, Pentax 67II, Kiev-60, Hasselblad 203FE, 903SWC, Graflex Norita 66, Mamiya M645 1000s, Burke & James 8x10, Graflex Pacemaker Speed Graphic (4x5 and 3x4), Century Graphic (2x3), R.B. Graflex Seried D, Rolleiflex SL66E, Rolleiflex 2.8C Xenotar, Mamiya C330f, a few M42, six P6, three OM, four Hasselblad, two Pentax 67, two Mamiya 645, one Noritar, and a sprinkle of EF. Oh, and an Aero Ektar and Leica Noctilux |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Canon 5D MkI with bad LCD display, what to do? |
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Orio wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
Does anyone know if this is a common problem with the 5D? |
Yes.
The solution is: trust the histogram, not the display.
Especially if you shoot RAW, the display colours have zero importance. Make sure that you have balanced the camera correctly, and that is all that counts (and even that, if you shoot raw, is relative).
If colour bothers you, set the image program mode to "monochrome", which shows better what _really_ counts, the luminance values.
What counts in the end is the quality of the image, and the 5D is second to none compared to the cameras of its day (2005)
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Was/is there a replacement program from Canon? |
Yes... it's called 5D Mark II _________________ Orio, Administrator
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Hi Peter
Both of myy cameras are like this.
The R D1 has a really crappy display as well.
Of course the IQ of the output is great as it is for the 5D.
I do as Orio has described as well.
Set the display to mono and use the histogram (for the RD1).
Your photos are always fantastic. I don't think chimping is needed when you have such skill _________________ Moderator |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Canon should give me the MkII for free
Actually I already use the histogram when I take the 5D with me (highlight warning). Point is... Canon should be *the* DSLR brand, no? So I expected the screen to be top-notch. It's a little daunting when you have just taken your best shot in months, only to discover it looks like crap on the display. This is not what I expected from my first Canon.
My K20D is the other way around: crappy photos look perfect on that little 2,7" display _________________ Peter - Moderator
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
Point is... Canon should be *the* DSLR brand, no? |
Actually... no.
Canon is cheap with camera build. Always has been. If it wasn't for the register distance, I'd be using a Nikon. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
Canon should give me the MkII for free
Actually I already use the histogram when I take the 5D with me (highlight warning). Point is... Canon should be *the* DSLR brand, no? So I expected the screen to be top-notch. It's a little daunting when you have just taken your best shot in months, only to discover it looks like crap on the display. This is not what I expected from my first Canon.
My K20D is the other way around: crappy photos look perfect on that little 2,7" display |
Well, I think the screen quality of the 5D was average if not better for it's contemporaries.
Things changed very fast in the area of LCD displays in the last three years.
You can not fairly compare the 5D screen (5yo technology older if you consider when it was designed before production) to today's screen.
When I got the 40D October of '07 I thought the screen was amazingly good (230,000px etc...)
By the end of that year the Nikon D3 had a 930,000px display that is now the standard for new cams.
Compare the display of the 5D to the D100 or other cams released 3 years prior to the 5D's release. You'll see that that the display was state of the art in 2004 _________________ Moderator |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Spotmatic wrote: |
Point is... Canon should be *the* DSLR brand, no? |
Actually... no.
Canon is cheap with camera build. Always has been. If it wasn't for the register distance, I'd be using a Nikon. |
Interesting, as the Nikon owners I know have yet to have a fault free camera. My 2 Canons have been perfect. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Thanks for all your interesting insights! I always thought that 2004/2005 LCD displays were quite good (after all the small one in my Pentax *ist DS is good too) but maybe I'm indeed expecting too much.
Oh well, I guess I will get used to it. _________________ Peter - Moderator
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
The year of build has a meaning, for Canon.
My 300D (older than the 5D) had the same poor display.
The 400D (newer than the 5D) had a display with perfect colours, and so are all the cameras after the 400D.
So surely Canon improved their display in the period between the 5D and the 400D.
I have no idea about the other companies but Canon isn't necessarily the best and first always, so it's surely possible that other makers had better displays before the time Canon improved theirs. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
Set the display to mono and use the histogram (for the RD1).
Your photos are always fantastic. I don't think chimping is needed when you have such skill |
Why the histogram to mono? I love RGB histograms.
It is true; the display of the Canon 30D is bigger than the 20D display, but colors are much worse. The only real advantage is the RGB histogram. I wish the 20D had that! |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
eeyore_nl wrote: |
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
Set the display to mono and use the histogram (for the RD1).
Your photos are always fantastic. I don't think chimping is needed when you have such skill |
Why the histogram to mono? I love RGB histograms.
It is true; the display of the Canon 30D is bigger than the 20D display, but colors are much worse. The only real advantage is the RGB histogram. I wish the 20D had that! |
Well for one I mostly convert my photos to Mono (mostly simply by de-saturating).
Second thing for me. I don't like distractions so mono and histogram is plenty.
As long as the Histogram is full and not clipping...........I just shoot. _________________ Moderator |
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GrahamNR17
Joined: 17 Jan 2009 Posts: 1855 Location: Norfolk, UK
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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GrahamNR17 wrote:
We seemed to managed not knowing how the photos came out for over 100 years. Is it really such a big issue?
I am not being sarcastic, I genuinely want to know. Ok, having the facility to see if the shot was ok is nice, but it's not a deal-breaker, surely?
My perfect camera:
A SMALL SLR with full-frame, pentaprism, and NO SCREEN! A small slot for SD cards in the side. That's all. SMALL, compact, just like film cameras.
I've got used to waiting for results, even if marketing departments disagree |
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Orio
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
GrahamNR17 wrote: |
A SMALL SLR with full-frame, pentaprism, and NO SCREEN! A small slot for SD cards in the side. That's all. SMALL, compact, just like film cameras.
I've got used to waiting for results, even if marketing departments disagree
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Then all photographers would have to learn how to meter the light... _________________ Orio, Administrator
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lahnet
Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 1164 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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lahnet wrote:
Guess I am lucky, I have no problems with LCD display on my 5D.
Maybe Canon has chanced it from series number xx. Mine is DS126091 / 1731205739. _________________ Henrik
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kds315*
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Canon 5D MkI with bad LCD display, what to do? |
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kds315* wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
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Does anyone know if this is a common problem with the 5D? Was/is there a replacement program from Canon? ... |
Oh, it is there since very long, called N I K O N
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
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Contra
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Contra wrote:
This info is in the review of the 5D on KenRockwell.com:
"My Canon 5D, bought around November 2006 when Canon was giving a $600 rebate and with a serial number beginning with 1, has the worst, dimmest and most off-color LCD I've ever used, just like the 30D. I hear that the latest 5Ds, as of at least December 2007, have an improved LCD, with serial numbers beginning with 2. I sure hope so! Yay!"
Anyboy who can confirm this? |
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gill
Joined: 08 Apr 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Lahore
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: Canon 5D Mk1 with bad LCD display, what to do? |
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gill wrote:
I agree with Spotmatic remarks. I picked up with Sr.# 1731203964 in mint condition after reading positive reviews of professionals/amateurs on the net. I did wait for months to locate Sr.#2xxxxx or 3 but unfortunately my brainstorm/addiction forced me to get this one. In lieu of that departed my favourite 400D and K100d. Few days back while using Tomioka 55 1.2 (not focused to infinity) mirror fallen. No authorize center here so glued by a local technician. Two days back while attaching to TV its LCD gone now on deep sleep. I picked it just to use all my manual lenses but my dream of F/F shattered with one click. As to dependability, durability and build is concern, Orio's remarks are right about Nikon. I will locate someone to take abroad for replacement of LCD. IMHO profession/hobby of photography is of innocent people and thus they are easily looted. I have observed it has one of the worst mirror assembly/LCD. Keeping Nikon F4, F90, EOS1N only for digital back if ever introduced like Mamiya RB/RZ backs.
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ludoo
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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ludoo wrote:
GrahamNR17 wrote: |
My perfect camera:
A SMALL SLR with full-frame, pentaprism, and NO SCREEN! A small slot for SD cards in the side. That's all. SMALL, compact, just like film cameras. |
Same here, I'd love a fully manual camera with a full frame sensor in it, rangefinder or slr. In fact, I'd love a fully manual fix lens rangefinder with a fast 42mm and a full frame sensor. RAW+exposure bracketing should be enough even in difficult situations. _________________ My galleries
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Mine has a 2xxxxxxx serial number and appears fine. It's still poor compared to later cameras though and you can't really guage sharpness too well because of the low resoluition. I don't mind though as the IQ of the final images is superb! _________________ Graham - Moderator
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hexi
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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hexi wrote:
Since about one month, i disabled preview on lcd, so problem is solved ! much better this way : ) _________________ Happy owner and user of :
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gill
Joined: 08 Apr 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Lahore
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:18 pm Post subject: Canon 5DMK1 with bad LCD display, what to do? |
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gill wrote:
Thanks Hexi. How i can disable the LCD when not displaying? Should keep in my bag unuse for more than thirty days removing battery/card? |
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hexi
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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hexi wrote:
You're welcome.
If you're using Canon, it's in the menu > review time , set it to off. This way you won't be tempted to look at your pix right away after taking them, plus battery life "shall" improve. _________________ Happy owner and user of :
SLR's > Contax Aria - RX
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scsambrook wrote:
If you really want to see a crappy screen display, forget Canon and try the Leica M8 (and probably the M9 as well). The big plus point is that it's so bad you never, ever, waste the battery looking at what you've just taken. And - of course - Leica owners are sohhh savvy with their technique that they simply don't need to check the histogram... _________________ Stephen
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