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aleksanderpolo
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 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:11 pm Post subject: Sonnar type ~50mm |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
Hi, I have asked this question in another forum, but I would like to expand the search beyond rangefinder lens, so here I asked:
I really like the way a sonnar type draw and the color/contrast of a Zeiss lens. So I have my eyes looking at C-Sonnar 50/1.5, but 0.9m close focus is a bit limiting... I am wondering if there are other alternatives with perhaps a smaller price tag? I've read somewhere that Nikkor-S 50/1.4 is sonnar type, but reading the diagrams here
http://translate.google.it/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.luciolepri.it/lc2/marcocavina/articoli_fotografici/Nikkor_50_1,4_S_Auto/00_pag.htm&sl=it&tl=en
have me confused whether it is a Sonnar or Planar 
Also, do the earlier Zeiss Sonnar 50/1.5 or Jupiter clone have similar color/contrast to the contemporary (Contax->Zx) versions?
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Orio
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Sonnar type ~50mm |
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Orio wrote:
| aleksanderpolo wrote: |
Also, do the earlier Zeiss Sonnar 50/1.5 or Jupiter clone have similar color/contrast to the contemporary (Contax->Zx) versions?
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I think only Carlsson here can reply having both lenses. I have the historical version and it's a sweet lens for portraits but it surely can not have the contrast of the modern ZM version, because the old lens is single-coated.
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
I've always understood that a Sonnar type has at least a cemented group of three elements in the front part of the lens. With that in mind, the Nikkor-S 50/1.4 cannot be a Sonnar type (it's a Double Gauss design).
The one and only Sonnar standard lens for SLR's ever made is still the Asahi Opt. Co. 58mm F2 Takumar (M42 mount).
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My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Sevo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
Even the first 5.8cm f/1.4 Nikkor is a Gauss type, and Nikon argues that a Sonnar design could not be used for the purpose due to the mirror clearance: http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/technology/nikkor/n40_e.htm
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aleksanderpolo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
ic, so it is probably the RF Nikkor-S that's the Sonnar type then... |
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aleksanderpolo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
Like this one?
Click here to see on Ebay |
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Yes, that's the one (and the one I and a few others on this forum have). I would have liked it to be more common, but unfortunately it's indeed rare.
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Sevo
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Sevo wrote:
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| ic, so it is probably the RF Nikkor-S that's the Sonnar type then... |
Right, according to Nikon, "The 5cm f/2, 5cm f/1.5, 5cm f/1.4, 8.5cm f/2, and 8.5cm f/1.5 [RF] lenses were all based on the Sonnar-type design."
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CarbonR
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CarbonR wrote:
Yes, I have two of them  This one was relatively cheap, the latest I saw in auction was Click here to see on Ebay (£365)
Some pictures with the lens : http://kajiwara.weebly.com/takumar-582.html
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Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
If the Nikkor 50mm F1.4 that I had was Sonnar design, I'd not advise it. It was really nothing special and nowhere near as good as the likes of Takumars, Helios, Pentacons, etc that can be found for much cheaper amounts.
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aleksanderpolo
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
After some research it appears that indeed only the RF Nikkor 50 are Sonnar. Wonder why there are so few Sonnar SLR 50s... |
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CarbonR
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CarbonR wrote:
If I'm right, a Sonnar normal lens would hit the mirror of a SLR. Apart from the 58/2 which has been designed for
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Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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aleksanderpolo
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
I saw you listing the 58/2 Tak, it's extremely tempting! But I've just got a Nikon ltm 50/2 so hopefully the Sonnar thirst can be quenched a little bit.  |
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CarbonR
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CarbonR wrote:
I have two of them, so I can sell one without missing it
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I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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