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Univer
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 282
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: Guess the Lens |
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Univer wrote:
Hi All,
Well, I'm finally feeling brave enough for my first-ever "guess the lens" post.
A few little clues: it's a manual-focus lens, naturally, used on a crop DSLR. Shot wide open - no surprise there. Pretty much a straight-from-the-camera JPEG; no PP, except for a modest contrast boost.
No cheating, please; if you follow the link, kindly refrain from sharing the answer.
Have fun!
Cheers,
Jon
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Arkku
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
Guessing by swirly bokeh with very prominent bright outlines: Trioplan 50mm? |
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indianadinos
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 1310 Location: Toulouse, France
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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indianadinos wrote:
Hi,
I got similar results with an Alpex 28/2.8 ... _________________ Please visit my blogs Shooting with a Pentax K10D / FF Visions
Takumar: 24/3.5, 28/3.5, 35/2, 35/3.5, 50/1.4, 55/1.8, 85/1.8, 105/2.8, 120/2.8, 135/3.5, 150/4, 200/4
Pentax-K: M28/2.8, K28/3.5, M50/1.4, A50/1.7, M50/4 Macro, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, K135/2.5, M200/4, M70-150/4
Zeiss: Flektogon 20/2.8, 20/4, 35/2.4, 35/2.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Biotar 58/2, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer: Primagon 35/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Orestor 135/2.8
Schacht/Steinheil: Travenar 90/2.8, Travenon 135/4.5, Quinar 135/2.8, Quinar 135/3.5
Russian: MIR 37B, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 44M & 44M-2, Jupiter 37A
P6: Flektogon 50/4, Biometar 80/2.8, Orestor 300/4
Nikkor: Nikkor-O 35/2, Micro 55/3.5, Nikkor-S 50/1.4, Nikkor-Q 135/2.8
Fuji: EBC 28/3.5, EBC 55/3.5 Macro, EBC 135/2.5
Misc Lenses: Kiron 105/2.8 Macro, Tamron SP90/2.5
... and a few other Vivitar, Tamron, Sigma and Soligor lenses ...
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symphonic
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 550 Location: SE Europe, Croatia
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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symphonic wrote:
Tair 11A? _________________ Toni,
EOS 450D
CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 MC | Pancolar 50/1.8 MC
Contax Planar 50/1.4 AEJ | Contax Sonnar 135/2.8 AEJ
Yashica ML 28/2.8 | Zuiko 28/3.5
Vivitar Series1 105/2.5 OM
AF: Tokina 12-24 |
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Joosep
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 305 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Joosep wrote:
Wild guess...
Super Comat 1.9 25mm _________________ The future is analogue.
23 cameras, 25 lenses and counting. |
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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
Expire: 2013-01-24
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
I've had similar oof results with a mir 1... |
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Univer
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 282
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Univer wrote:
Hi All,
@arkku: You've got the focal length right, but not the lens.
@Joosep: Interesting thought; I've seen similar results from the Super-Comat (got to get me one of those, one of these days). But this isn't a cine lens.
Maybe this will serve as another hint. I posted this image because I was surprised by it; this isn't a lens I would ordinarily associate with this kind of swirling effect.
Cheers,
Jon |
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djmike
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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djmike wrote:
CZ Tessar 50/2.8 _________________
DSLR: Canon 400D
SLR: Nikon FM2 + Canon A-1 + Canon AE1-P + Praktica MTL-5B + Pentax Spotmatic F + Fujica ST801 + Voigtlander Bassematic + Voigtlander Vito + Rollei 35S + Rolleiflex SL35 ME + Canon QL17 GIII + Olympus Pen EE-3
Lenses
M42: CZJ Flektogon 35/2.4 + CZJ Flektogon Zebra 35/2.8 + CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 + CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 + CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 Chrome + Pentacon 135/2.8 + Pentacon 50/1.8 + SMC Takumar 50/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55/2 + SMC Takumar 135/3.5 + Fujinon 55/1.8 + Jupiter-9 85/2 + Jupiter-37A 135/3.5 + Helios 44-6 58/2
Nikor: Nikkor 50/1.4 + Nikkor 28/3.5 + Nikkor 35-105 Zoom + 36-72 Series E Zoom
Canon: Canon FD + 28/2.8 + 50/1.8 + Canon 35-105 Macro Zoom
Other: Rollei Planar HFT 50/1.8
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Univer
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 282
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Univer wrote:
Subfanatic wrote: |
Guessing by the sharpness wide open, I'd say this can't be Trioplan or some Russian lens... Could be HFT Planar 50mm f/1.8, but these colors are much more Leica? Perhaps even Summicron-R 50mm, but I've never seen such wild bokeh from these two. |
Wow...very impressive. My hat is off to you (well, it would be, if I were wearing a hat).
This is in fact the 50/2 Summicron-R (two-cam). Like you, I hadn't previously encountered bokeh like this from that lens.
Fascinating that it's capable of such results - if the background, lighting, etc. are all just right, at any rate. I wish I could say that the effect was 100% intentional, but that would be an exaggeration. I was happy about the lighting, and I thought the background might be interesting; but in candor, I wasn't expecting this sort of image.
Congratulations - and thanks to all for playing!
Cheers,
Jon |
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
Also the M-series Summicron 50/2 gives the same restless bokeh with pronounced circles, tessarish look. 6 elements in 4 groups, stopped down one f-stop it looks more pleasing imho _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180 |
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aleksanderpolo
Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 684
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
Esox lucius wrote: |
Also the M-series Summicron 50/2 gives the same restless bokeh with pronounced circles, tessarish look. 6 elements in 4 groups, stopped down one f-stop it looks more pleasing imho |
I am quite surprised. I always thought that Summicron is associated with smooth bokeh... |
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
aleksanderpolo wrote: |
I am quite surprised. I always thought that Summicron is associated with smooth bokeh... |
Leica myth is hard to dispel. Not difficult to avoid with this lens, but very easy to create if you want it. Summicron-M 50/2 bokeh on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leolebug/4195395061/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mr-one/4011275262/sizes/z/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/doistrakh/4280740432/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/desitinschild/2612346492/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/desitinschild/1502653102/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigreos/4306365010/ _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180 |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:58 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I keep hearing how Russian lenses are not sharp wide open. I'd strongly disagree with this. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I keep hearing how Russian lenses are not sharp wide open. I'd strongly disagree with this. |
Unfortunately, Russian lenses are difficult to be generalized about, in any direction, due to the huge copy variation factor that afflicts them.
Luckily, most Russian lenses are cheap enough that someone can easily buy and try a second one if his first one was of the unlucky kind. That's what I did with the Jupiter-9 for instance. It took me three buys to get a perfect one. The good part is: the perfect one, it *really* is perfect. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:35 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Orio wrote: |
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I keep hearing how Russian lenses are not sharp wide open. I'd strongly disagree with this. |
Unfortunately, Russian lenses are difficult to be generalized about, in any direction, due to the huge copy variation factor that afflicts them.
Luckily, most Russian lenses are cheap enough that someone can easily buy and try a second one if his first one was of the unlucky kind. That's what I did with the Jupiter-9 for instance. It took me three buys to get a perfect one. The good part is: the perfect one, it *really* is perfect. |
Yes, what you say Orio is soooo very true.
I've yet to buy a Friday afternoon lens. This has been a mixture of luck and also buying from trusted sources. Yes there are some dogs around but probably a small percentage and that's all people seem to talk about. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I've yet to buy a Friday afternoon lens. This has been a mixture of luck and also buying from trusted sources. Yes there are some dogs around but probably a small percentage and that's all people seem to talk about. |
Some of the Russian lenses problems are also the DDR Carl Zeiss Jena problems: quality and availability of materials and of trained workmanship in the other side of the curtain.
So you get Flektogons with aperture problems, and you get MIRs with aperture problems. Sonnars with aperture problems and Jupiters with aperture problems.
And then you get the added problem that over the years, customers experiencing those problems have tried servicing the lenses themselves instead of committing to professional services. With the result that they got entagled in the complicated build of lenses like the Jupiter-9 or the Helios-40, and with their homemade servicing, they created more problems to the lenses than they actually fixed. This is the reason why buying a used Jupiter-9 or Helios-40 is like getting a ticket for the lottery.
Having that said, when you put your hands over a proper copy of a Russian lens, you have a great piece of glass. I saw with my eyes the Jupiter-3 of Alessandro outperform in sharpness one of my two Zeiss 1.5/50, of which the Jupiter was a copy... _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Univer
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 282
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Univer wrote:
Hi,
I agree, it's sometimes frustrating when Russian lenses are dismissed, as a whole, because of QC issues and sample variation - especially when those very same problems afflict other lenses that seem to escape such broad-based criticism.
Being mindful of the fact that generalizations like the following are always suspect, I would say that my best Russian lenses are my earliest. Maybe it's pure coincidence, but for me, the red "P" and the focal length in cm always seem to be the hallmarks of a superb lens. My not-so-cosmetically-nice early Helios-44 (the version that stops down to f22) is a match for anything I've ever owned in that focal length range, from any manufacturer in any country.
Cheers,
Jon |
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