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Ancient Bessa triumphs again!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:44 pm    Post subject: Ancient Bessa triumphs again! Reply with quote

I just got this shot from the 1930s Bessa with it's f6.7 triplet accepted at BOTH Alamy and Shutterstock:



I stuck some Photoshop filters on it to liven it up a bit.

I'm almost regretting giving that folder away, now. But I've got several others that will do just as well.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats!! I have one too I never gave to her a second chance , need to try it out.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woo Hoo! Yep, while there's been a general improvement in IQ over the years, really, the bigger advance has been to the area of competence of a given camera - within its more limited area of competence, a vintage folder can indeed be competetive with modern equipment.

Plus, then there's the question of what direct connection between sheer IQ and photographic effectiveness really is - I suspect it's different with different types of photography, and different aims.

Beautiful shot.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so beautiful!


PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, the "sensor" is a modern film (slide in this case), so the only bit of the camera really being critically tested is the lens and on a 6x9 neg you don't need many lines per mm. In any case, I've used triplets on a 5D and they are perfectly adequate.
Come to think of it, even a 1930s film would suffice ... if it were Kodachrome!

The rest of it is just technique - using a tripod, shielding the lens before opening and closing it to avoid accidental jarring, getting the exposure time roughly right and tightening the film slightly just before taking the shot to ensure it is flat.

It's still fun to sell photos on the internet from cameras that age Smile


PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it is a quite remarkable image. I really like the effect the time of day has on it. You've got the great colors from the sunset in the sky and the glow from the artificial lighting is becoming noticeable. Very effective.

So have you used Alamy and Shutterstock before? Have they made any money for you? I've got thousands of stock photos that I'd like to do something with someday, which is why I'm asking.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As of this minute, I've made $24,947.70c (less tax) at Shutterstock and a few thousand at Alamy. Shutterstock is my second biggest earning agency.

If you want to join please feel free to use my referral link (and there's dreamstime, too, if you're interested)

http://submit.shutterstock.com/?ref=262
http://www.dreamstime.com/register-resi554

You may be surprised by how tough their inspection process is.


PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent catch, Paul, love the lighting and the colors, congrats!


PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

congrats! magical colors, does the agencies know it's from a 1930's Bessa?


PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good on you ...


PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulC wrote:
If you want to join please feel free to use my referral link (and there's dreamstime, too, if you're interested)

http://submit.shutterstock.com/?ref=262
http://www.dreamstime.com/register-resi554

You may be surprised by how tough their inspection process is.


Thanks for the links. So I visited both and signed up, then browsed through the forum over at Shutterstock. Yeah, quite a few folks were griping about SS's inspection process, it seems.

I'm still in the process of organizing and sorting all my images, and now I'm finding it difficult to narrow things down to my first 10 submissions. Guess I shouldn't get too obsessed about it.

I took a look at the photos in your sig. Looks to me like you like taking pics of food. Something I kind of enjoy also and should do a lot more of. My wife's a chef and some of the dishes she puts together can look pretty nice.

You mentioned that Shutterstock is your second biggest earning agency. Might I inquire as to which is the first?


PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iStockphoto is the biggest but it is in the middle of a major crisis at the moment and seems to be determined to make it almost impossible to get a worthwhile return there any more. Equally stringent inspections and very restrictive upload limits are one problem, together with falling overall sales and their latest decision to cut commission rates from 20% to 15% on the grounds that they want to have larger profits (which has not gone down at all well).

I don't want the hassle of models, model releases, studio rentals and then having to compete with top-quality specialists, so I stuck mainly to food and travel. The competition is less intense and images don't date according to fashions. And, of course, the more you do, the better you get at it, which also helps sales. On top of which, I'm getting more and more adventurous in the kitchen (but not any thinner, sadly)


PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poilu wrote:
congrats! magical colors, does the agencies know it's from a 1930's Bessa?


Nope. Giving that information to an inspector brainwashed in the digital mantra might get it rejected out of hand, so it stands or falls on its own merit. They may have noticed it is film because of the lack of EXIF data.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the additional info, Paul. Sounds like iStockphoto might in fact be in the middle of its death throes. Gouging the people who supply it with what it needs to stay afloat is, to me, a sure sign of this. Whenever I see this sort of activity, I assume the business will not be long for this world unless it realizes its fatal mistakes, and I'm almost always right in my assumptions when I see this behavior.

One thing about many of your stock photos that I wanted to comment on, but forgot, and sorry in advance for straying off the topic of this thread, but I'm gonna ask anyway Smile

You composed many photos with a plain white background -- or close to white -- and I'm wondering if you use a light box for this. I've seen threads at other sites where people have built these small boxes out of cardboard (small meaning table-top size, maybe 2-foot cubes or so) where they mount exterior flashes and use a seamless white background material inside the box. The photo examples I've seen from these are remarkable in their lack of shadows and even exposure. It seems to me, after viewing many of you photos, that this would probably be ideal for many sorts of stock subjects. Is this also what you use?


PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I use a light table (translucent plastic) with flash underneath it and one or two flashes with a softbox or umbrella off to the sides. Sometimes I use white card as the background but now I find that just balancing the light works best for me. White card is always a bit grey.

The stock sites have got increasingly pissy about "flat lighting" with no shadows at all so stuff needs to have some shadow detail, while avoiding overall light fall-off across the scene, which can be an issue with a single flash (and avoiding double shadows, which can be a problem with two flashes).

In a way, a light tent is just a softbox wrapped all round an object. I made one once, it was OK for small objects but mine restricted camera angles a lot. I'm not very good at "Blue Peter" handicraft stuff.

Of course, you can balance the light in a tent to get a gentle shadow, too.

If you sort my portfolio by age you will find the lighting gets progressively worse the further back you go. A lot of the early stuff was done with table lamps on exposures sometimes running into seconds. That stuff probably wouldn't be accepted today. My skill level has roughly kept pace with the rising quality standards, so that my rejection levels remain fairly constant at about 15% to 20% of submissions.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cracking pic.
Is it local, or taken in Greece?

PaulC wrote:
poilu wrote:
congrats! magical colors, does the agencies know it's from a 1930's Bessa?


Nope. Giving that information to an inspector brainwashed in the digital mantra might get it rejected out of hand, so it stands or falls on its own merit. They may have noticed it is film because of the lack of EXIF data.

Nothing to stop you putting in some fake exif data Smile


PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the harbour at Rethymnon, Crete. There's nothing more than 40 years old left standing in Qatar.

I hadn't thought of fake exif but it's not really needed. After all, it did get accepted. It's OK as long as I don't start them thinking it is impossible for it to pass muster before they even look at it.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice colours and light

Attila wrote:
... I have one too I never gave to her a second chance...


Bad, very bad.
When you have more gear than it can to use, it means that you has too Laughing


PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ellepi wrote:
Very nice colours and light

Attila wrote:
... I have one too I never gave to her a second chance...


Bad, very bad.
When you have more gear than it can to use, it means that you has too Laughing


Yes. That's why I gave this camera away to a 15-year-old girl who wants to be a photographer. She's using it more than I ever did and started getting proper photos out of it with her second roll - which I reckon means it's taught her more about photography in a month than her P&S would in a decade