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Carlsson
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 793 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: Water resistant body - recommendation needed |
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Carlsson wrote:
Hi friends and film lovers.
I'm looking for a (cheaper) water resistant film body. It should be able to survive moisture and salty air and (hopefully not) attacks of salty water. The less amount of electronic it has - the better. I think.
For the next week we have a hurrican warning, perhaps I can catch some new angry waves, but I would not dare to go with with my 5D and Zeiss lenses.
Thanks,
Sandy _________________
Contax III, Zeiss Ikon ZM, Contax AX, EOS 5D, R-D1
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soikka
Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Posts: 534 Location: Finland
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:58 am Post subject: |
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soikka wrote:
Pentax LX is a manual weather-sealed SLR that I have experience of, but I wouldn't get it really wet with salty water.
Canon 1 series also weather-sealed and some Nikon pro-models? _________________ DSLR: K-5,K20d+Grip, Ist*Ds
Film: MZ-5n, LX, MX+winder, SuperA+winder, ME Super,
M-series: 28/2.8, 35/2, 40/2.8, 135/3.5, 75-150/4, A-series: 50/1.7, Super-Taks: 55/1.8, 105/2.8, S-M-C Taks: 28/3.5, 50/1.4, 85/1.8, Sigma SW2 24/2.8, Tamron SPs: 90/2.5(I), 180/2.5, 500/8, Rikenon XR 35-70/3.5, Cosinon 40/2.5, F-1.7x AF-adapter, Olympus XA |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5039 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Zenit B - I think it works better wet .. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
+1 on the Pentax LX. But please bear in mind that there are *no* weather resistant lenses to go on that LX.
(I'm glad to own a Pentax K-7 with WR lenses which is fully weather resistant). _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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soikka
Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Posts: 534 Location: Finland
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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soikka wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
Zenit B - I think it works better wet .. |
This might be true _________________ DSLR: K-5,K20d+Grip, Ist*Ds
Film: MZ-5n, LX, MX+winder, SuperA+winder, ME Super,
M-series: 28/2.8, 35/2, 40/2.8, 135/3.5, 75-150/4, A-series: 50/1.7, Super-Taks: 55/1.8, 105/2.8, S-M-C Taks: 28/3.5, 50/1.4, 85/1.8, Sigma SW2 24/2.8, Tamron SPs: 90/2.5(I), 180/2.5, 500/8, Rikenon XR 35-70/3.5, Cosinon 40/2.5, F-1.7x AF-adapter, Olympus XA |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
With respect, the LX is a lovely professional camera, rare and expensive, and although it was designed to be weatherproof when new, I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the seals after so many years. I'd think really long and hard before I'd risk damaging it in salty sea-spray and hurricane winds.
If you want to use an SLR maybe it would be an idea to use it in a waterproof bag, with just the front lens exposed and protected with a filter. Otherwise, if an APS film camera will do the job, look out for a Minolta Vectis Weathermatic Zoom or a GX4 underwater camera. They go for just a few euros.
example: Click here to see on Ebay _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Carlsson
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 793 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Carlsson wrote:
Thanks for your ideas.
Peter, I agree, I would feel bad risking a beautiful Pentax LX on the beach.
The Zenit B might do the job, perhaps a cheap 50 or better 35mm lens, sounds reasonable. Never underestimate (working) russian devices!
Canon 1 series is still very expensive, unfortunately, but again, it's full with electronics and risky. _________________
Contax III, Zeiss Ikon ZM, Contax AX, EOS 5D, R-D1
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Praktica 5B very trustworthy unbreakable camera + Helios 44 or Pentacon 50mm f1.8 all are dirt cheap you can bring a few ones. Olympus E-1 is weather proof and getting cheaper and cheaper. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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soikka
Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Posts: 534 Location: Finland
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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soikka wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Olympus E-1 is weather proof and getting cheaper and cheaper. |
But it's pretty hard to use it with film
Olympus Mju-II is also weather-resistant and gives nice images... Cheap pocketable option, but of course no SLR. _________________ DSLR: K-5,K20d+Grip, Ist*Ds
Film: MZ-5n, LX, MX+winder, SuperA+winder, ME Super,
M-series: 28/2.8, 35/2, 40/2.8, 135/3.5, 75-150/4, A-series: 50/1.7, Super-Taks: 55/1.8, 105/2.8, S-M-C Taks: 28/3.5, 50/1.4, 85/1.8, Sigma SW2 24/2.8, Tamron SPs: 90/2.5(I), 180/2.5, 500/8, Rikenon XR 35-70/3.5, Cosinon 40/2.5, F-1.7x AF-adapter, Olympus XA |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
soikka wrote: |
Attila wrote: |
Olympus E-1 is weather proof and getting cheaper and cheaper. |
But it's pretty hard to use it with film
Olympus Mju-II is also weather-resistant and gives nice images... Cheap pocketable option, but of course no SLR. |
Yes, right, but this is a rare opportunity to capture big waves nice if a good digital camera also there.
Olympus Mju-II is an excellent idea, I don't think so need really SLR. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
My Nikon F100 has endured washing under a tap as well as raindrops and dew. It looks quite well sealed but officially it is not weather-proof. I do not hesitate using it in humid circumstances though, thanks to it surviving previous ordeal. _________________ Vilhelm
Nikon DSLR: D4, D800, Nikon D3, D70
Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
Nikkor MF: 20/2.8 Ai-S, 24/2 Ai-S, 24/2.8 Ai-S, 28/2 Ai-S, 28/2.8 Ai-S, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 Ai-S, 45/2.8 GN, 50/1.2 Ai, 50/1.2 Ai-S, 50/1.4 Ai, 50/1.4 Ai-S, 50/1.8 AI-S "long", 50/1.8 AI-S "short", 55/1.2 Ai, 85/1.4 Ai-S, 85/1.8H, 105/2.5 Ai, 135/2.8Q, 135/3.5 Ai, 180/2.8 Ai-S ED
Nikkor AF/AF-S FX: 14-24/2.8G, 16/2.8D Fisheye, 16-35/4G VR, 17-35/2.8D, 24/1.4G, 24/3.5D PC-E, 24/2.8D, 24-70/2.8G, 28/1.4D, 28/1.8G, 35/1.4G, 35/2D, 50/1.4D, 50/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 60/2.8 Micro, 60/2.8G Micro, 70-200/2.8G VR, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 80-400/4.5-5.6D VR, 85/1.4G, 85/2.8D PC-E Micro, 105/2D DC, 105/2.8G VR Micro, 135/2D DC, 200/2G VR, 200-400/4G VR, 300/2.8G VR, 300/4D ED, 400/2.8G VR, 800/5.6E VR
Nikkor AF/AF-S DX: 10.5/2.8G Fisheye, 12-24/4G, 18-70/3.5-4.5G
Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
Zeiss ZF: Planar T* 85/1.4 ZF
M42 SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM
M42: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.4, Tessar 50/2.8 T, Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Biotar 58/2 T, Pentacon 135/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5
Medium format: several Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 Opton-Tessar 80mm f/2.8, Zeiss Ikonta 524/16 Opton-Tessar 75mm f/3.5
Leica: R7, M4, Super-Angulon-R 4/21, Elmarit-R 2.8/28, Summicron-R 2/35, Summicron-M 2/35, Summicron-M 2/50, Elmarit-R 2,8/180 |
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Carlsson
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 793 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Carlsson wrote:
soikka wrote: |
Olympus Mju-II is also weather-resistant and gives nice images... Cheap pocketable option, but of course no SLR. |
Arrrr, that's it, looks very handy. I think it's a good start, nothing to fear. Zuiko 2.8/35 is promising, also ISO50-3200. And the best thing, it's a film camera!
Thanks friends! I will also give my Zenit 12 a chance. _________________
Contax III, Zeiss Ikon ZM, Contax AX, EOS 5D, R-D1
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Sandy
Take a Nikonos with a 2.8/35.
I'm looking for one myself. Completely waterproof and excellent IQ with slides (no comprimise).
The camera will open many possibilities. Prices seem to start around $150 and go up to $500 for a used one.
I plan to spend $250 max and surely it will pay fro itself.
I tried a Pany TS 1 P&S digital. It was fun with not bad IQ but not great either for $400.
TS1 samples
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Carlsson
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 793 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Carlsson wrote:
Hi Andy,
great shots!
This is one step further but great too. Perfect for pool shootings
You've got mail... _________________
Contax III, Zeiss Ikon ZM, Contax AX, EOS 5D, R-D1
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I saw a Nikonos in a shop. Amazing camera!
Andy, I could look at the panorama of your first underwater picture forever!
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:44 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Carlsson,
Do like many other photographers have done, who need to operate their photo gear in wet environments:
In addition to your camera and lens, you need a stout plastic bag, preferably clear, preferably about 30cm deep or so, and a lens filter. Cut a hole in the plastic bag just a bit smaller than the size of the front element of your lens, place the camera and lens in the bag, and then locate the hole in the bag over the lens and screw the filter onto the lens, so that it includes the plastic bag in the threads. Or you can just use duct tape to seal the plastic bag to the front of the lens -- that's probably easier. But if your lens's front element rotates, you'll want to use a plastic bag that's big enough to account for the twisting that will occur.
If you use a big enough bag, you can put your hand inside of it. If not, you'll have to operate the controls from the outside, which shouldn't be all that hard to do.
Nice thing about using a plastic bag is, obviously, you don't have to buy any more gear! _________________ Michael
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wilson.c
Joined: 18 Jan 2010 Posts: 364 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:15 am Post subject: |
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wilson.c wrote:
Actually Sea&Sea made some lower cost P&S waterproof film cameras. My wife has a MX-10 with external flash for her SCUBA underwater snapshots where I've got my Nikonos V with Sea&Sea 15mm lens _________________ Wilson
DSLR: Canon 5DMkII, 500D + Panasonic GF-1
SLR: Canon T90, Canon F1, Canon A1, Canon AE1 + Rolleiflex SL66 + Bronica ETRs
R'finder: Contax G1, G2 + Leica M6, M3 + Contax II
Lenses
M42: Angenieaux 90/1.8
Canon: FD 50/3.5 Macro, FD 80/1.8, FD 80-200L/4
Contax G: CZ Hologon 16/8, CZ Biogon 21/2.8, CZ Biogon 28/2.8, CZ Planar 45/2.0, CZ Sonnar 90/2.8
P-Six: CZJ Sonnar 180/2.8, CZJ Biometar 120/2.8
Contax: Distagon 28/2.8, Distagon 28/2, Planar 85/1.4, Makro-Planar 100/2.8
Others: CZ Sonnar 135/3.5 (Hasselblad V mount)
More little ones to be documented.
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5039 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
If you don't want to actually sink the camera, the cheapest way is to use clear "food plastic" and lots of tape to just cover everything. Leave the plastic under and tape over, so no glue gets to the body.
Works also if you are going to take photos on a pig farm. I've done that. Unfortunately didn't cover hood and that smelled for about two weeks. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3439 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
May be you can find a Konica Mermaid for cheap. Looks like a somewhat clumsy toy. Till 5m. under water, AF P&S (Konica Big Mini) with really good 35mm 3.5 lens. Framing help for under water with it.
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:54 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
These underwater cameras are amazing.... anyone tried them in dark/murky creek situations? _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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Shiladitya
Joined: 31 May 2008 Posts: 306 Location: New Delhi, India
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Shiladitya wrote:
Check this out:
http://www.intova.net/
Dont know about the IQ but this would suit your purpose. _________________ Camera: 35mm SLR: Nikon F4s, Nikon FG, FE2, FM2n, FA; Pentax K1000, Spotmatic II, MZ60; Exakta Varex IIb, Olympus OM1n;
MF TLR: Yashica Mat 124G, Yashica 635, Rolleiflex Automat MX EVS
35mm RF: Voigtlander Prominent, Yashica Electro GSN, Minolta Hi-Matic 7s
MF Folder: Agfa Isolette III
Digital: Canon 5DC, Canon 550D
Lenses: Nikkor- 2.8/55 Micro, 1.4/50 AIS, 1.2/55 AI, 2.8/24 AIS, 2.8/20 AIS, 4/200 AIS, 2.5/105 AIS
Pentax K: SMC 1.7/50, 2.8/24, 3.5/135, 4/200 & 4.5/80-200
M42: SMC Tak 1.8/55, SMC Tak 3.5/28, SMC Tak 3.5/135, Super Tak 4/200, Yasinon DX 1.7/50, Meyer Oreston 1.8/50
Zuiko: 1.8/50, 3.5/28
Exakta: Pancolar 2/50, Pentacon 3.5/30, Enna 4.5/240
Prominent: Ultron 2/50, Skoparon 3.5/35, Dynaon 4.5/100 |
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