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haley
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: $40 for 5 lenses. The swap meet strikes again. |
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haley wrote:
I was complaining about needing a longer lens on the way to the swap meet this morning. About 3/4 of the way through, I ran into a Soligor 75-260 4.5. The seller wanted $40 for it with the camera. I put it on my 5D, played with it for a few minutes, and talked him into giving me just the lens for $20. He asked if I wanted to see more camera stuff and pulled out a bag, so I checked the mounts and told him I'd give him $5 for each of the lenses. There ended up being four m42s:
Auto Rikenon 50 1.7
Star-D 28 2.8
Soligor 135 3.5
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 50 2
I'm not expecting much from anything I picked up today, but for the price, who cares?
Off to clean them up and test them out... |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Nice haul! I have the Soligor 135/3.5 and it's excellent! If it's the same model you're in luck (silver ring towards the bottom).
I have the longer Soligor you mention too, but haven't tried it yet. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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NikonD
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NikonD wrote:
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Attila
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Sound good! On these prices I wouldn't care also, great fun too test them ! I look forward your samples! I know nothing about these lenses so I am very curious! I expect good results from 50mm lenses and acceptable one from 135mm , I believe zoom will be fine also. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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xjjohnno
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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xjjohnno wrote:
The Mamiya Sekor and Rikenon should provide pretty decent results. A good day's shopping by the sounds of things. |
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haley
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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haley wrote:
Ok, not the best test in the world, but I was anxious as usual. Handheld in my front yard, wide open, 100% crop following each. I had to kick up the iso a little more in the last two b/c of the shade (it's too late in the day to get anything but spotty light).
Star-D
Mamiya
Rikenon
Soligor 135
Soligor 70-260 @ 260
And, just for fun, here are my favorite moments from the swap meet (Jupiter 9):
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Attila
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Wow! This was pretty fast , looks they are not bad at all. At better light condition some of them can be come as your favorite. Jupiter-9 sing in your hands I like last ones pretty much. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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soikka
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:28 am Post subject: |
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soikka wrote:
Rikenon is not bad att all. I have the impression that it is a great little lens. _________________ DSLR: K-5,K20d+Grip, Ist*Ds
Film: MZ-5n, LX, MX+winder, SuperA+winder, ME Super,
M-series: 28/2.8, 35/2, 40/2.8, 135/3.5, 75-150/4, A-series: 50/1.7, Super-Taks: 55/1.8, 105/2.8, S-M-C Taks: 28/3.5, 50/1.4, 85/1.8, Sigma SW2 24/2.8, Tamron SPs: 90/2.5(I), 180/2.5, 500/8, Rikenon XR 35-70/3.5, Cosinon 40/2.5, F-1.7x AF-adapter, Olympus XA |
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larsr
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:44 am Post subject: |
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larsr wrote:
Cool deal! Pity we don't run into bags like that here in Finland :/
Looks like the Soligor has a sweet bokeh, and at a quick glance the Mamiya looks to be the sharpest of the bunch? The others look pretty soft to me... _________________ Lars
Bodies:
DSLR: Nikon D200
SLR: Nikon FA, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Zeiss Ikon Icarex 35TM
35mm: Voigtl�nder Vitoret
Nikkor MF
24/2.8K AI'd, 28/2.8 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 Micro, 35-70/3.5 AIS, 85/1.8K AI'd, 100/2.8 Series E, 105/2.5 AI, 105/2.5 AIS, 135/3.5 AI, Nikkor 180/2.8 ED AIS, 200/4-Q AI'd, 300/4.5-H AI'd
M42
Misc: Vivitar 28/2.5, Chinon 28/2.8, Cosina Auto Cosinon 50/1.8, Revue Auto Revuenon 50/1.8, Mamiya 50/2, Auto Flex 55/1.7, Cosina Cosinon 135/2.8 MC, Vivitar 135/2.8, Petri 200/3.5 CC Auto
Zeiss: Carl Zeiss (Ikon) Tessar 50/2.8, CZJ Tessar 50/2.8, CZJ Pancolar Electric 50/1.8 MC, CZJ Biotar 58/2 T, CZJ Sonnar MC S 135/3.5
Asahi-Pentax: SMC-Takumar 55/1.8, Super-Takumar 105/2.8, SMC-Takumar 135/3.5
USSR: Mir-1 37/2.8 (1958 GP), Helios 44-2 58/2
Pentacon/Meyer: Pentacon 29/2.8 MC, Pentacon 50/1.8 MC Electric, Meyer G�rlitz Oreston 50/1.8, Meyer G�rlitz Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 200/4
Nikkor AF
50/1.8 D, 60/2.8 Micro, 55-200/4-5.6 G VR, 70-300/4-5.6 ED, 18-70/3.5-4.5 G
Wantlist
Nikkor 105/1.8, Nikkor 135/2
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haley
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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haley wrote:
Attila, I'm loving the Jupiter. We're a good fit.
I'm not terribly disappointed with any of the new lenses (how could I be at that price?), but I admit I wasn't expecting much in the first place. If I had to kick one out of bed, it would be the Star-D, but I'm going to do a better test later today when I have good light. |
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Attila
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
haley wrote: |
Attila, I'm loving the Jupiter. We're a good fit.
I'm not terribly disappointed with any of the new lenses (how could I be at that price?), but I admit I wasn't expecting much in the first place. If I had to kick one out of bed, it would be the Star-D, but I'm going to do a better test later today when I have good light. |
With better light and around f5.6-f11 Star-D will be acceptable also.
Jupiter-9 is my all time favorite, thanks for pre-set technology easy to use and works like a charm. I sold my black versions and kept silver ones, they have less contrast , but more personality in portrait photography. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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estudleon
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
I like my J-9 too.
At F/ 5,6-8 it's very, very sharp.
Very nice pics. All seems to be sharp lenses, the 28 mm too.
And the J-9 pics are beauties.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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haley
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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haley wrote:
Attila wrote: |
With better light and around f5.6-f11 Star-D will be acceptable also. |
But...I only know two settings: "off" and "wide open".
I have the bumpy black Jupiter. Is there a silver m42? |
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Attila
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
haley wrote: |
Attila wrote: |
With better light and around f5.6-f11 Star-D will be acceptable also. |
But...I only know two settings: "off" and "wide open".
I have the bumpy black Jupiter. Is there a silver m42? |
So Star-D is pretty much garbage seems.
No, they come with M39 mount short lens like yours is SLR lens, tall lens is RF unusable for you. M39-M42 adapter ring available most seller ship with M39 lenses. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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SkedAddled
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:21 am Post subject: |
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SkedAddled wrote:
The Soligor 75-260 is actually a very high-quality lens,
if it was manufactured by Tokina. The serial numbers tell all.
My copy begins the numbers with 17, which has been confirmed
as a Tokina-made lens. There's another number prefix which also
confirms Tokins manufacture, though I do not now recall what
the prefix is.
At any rate, that lens is of very high material quality and IQ.
While heavy, the integral tripod collar mount helps with usage,
and the lens itself is a delight to use on a tripod.
While I haven't used it as much as I'd like, it's certainly begging
to go to my local zoo, at least. _________________ Craig
Of course I'm all right! Why? What have you heard!?
Canon Digital EOS 5D Mk IV, EOS 50D, Powershot S3 iS
Vivitar 28 f/2.8 OM - Zuiko 50 f/1.8 OM - Tamron SP 28-80 f/3.5 AD2[Favorite!] - Hanimar 135 f/3.5 M42 - Soligor 135 f/2.8 T4 - Tamron SP 60-300 f/3.8 AD2 - Soligor 75-260 f/4.5 M42 - Soligor 400 f/6.3 T4 - Soligor 500 f/8 T2 Cat + Matched 2X TC - Addiction Growing!
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larsr
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: |
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larsr wrote:
Attila wrote: |
M39-M42 adapter ring available most seller ship with M39 lenses. |
There are also M39->Nikon adapters available, mine is from Ebay. _________________ Lars
Bodies:
DSLR: Nikon D200
SLR: Nikon FA, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Zeiss Ikon Icarex 35TM
35mm: Voigtl�nder Vitoret
Nikkor MF
24/2.8K AI'd, 28/2.8 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 Micro, 35-70/3.5 AIS, 85/1.8K AI'd, 100/2.8 Series E, 105/2.5 AI, 105/2.5 AIS, 135/3.5 AI, Nikkor 180/2.8 ED AIS, 200/4-Q AI'd, 300/4.5-H AI'd
M42
Misc: Vivitar 28/2.5, Chinon 28/2.8, Cosina Auto Cosinon 50/1.8, Revue Auto Revuenon 50/1.8, Mamiya 50/2, Auto Flex 55/1.7, Cosina Cosinon 135/2.8 MC, Vivitar 135/2.8, Petri 200/3.5 CC Auto
Zeiss: Carl Zeiss (Ikon) Tessar 50/2.8, CZJ Tessar 50/2.8, CZJ Pancolar Electric 50/1.8 MC, CZJ Biotar 58/2 T, CZJ Sonnar MC S 135/3.5
Asahi-Pentax: SMC-Takumar 55/1.8, Super-Takumar 105/2.8, SMC-Takumar 135/3.5
USSR: Mir-1 37/2.8 (1958 GP), Helios 44-2 58/2
Pentacon/Meyer: Pentacon 29/2.8 MC, Pentacon 50/1.8 MC Electric, Meyer G�rlitz Oreston 50/1.8, Meyer G�rlitz Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 200/4
Nikkor AF
50/1.8 D, 60/2.8 Micro, 55-200/4-5.6 G VR, 70-300/4-5.6 ED, 18-70/3.5-4.5 G
Wantlist
Nikkor 105/1.8, Nikkor 135/2
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Helios
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Helios wrote:
I have the Tokina 75-260 , original brand "Tokina RMC", an d it is a very good performer. However, I find it very prone to flare and , the telescopic original sunshade is not very efficient .
The Tamron 60-300 is not far better , but doesn't suffer so much from this flare issue .
I have 2 copies of the soligor 135 mm : 3,5/135 , 2,8/135 . f/3,5 copy is excellent , f/2,8 one is as good as the other third party lenses from that era (never bad , never "stellar")
$40 for that gear sounds "prices 5 years ago ..." ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
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Farside wrote:
Heh. Husband and wife sniper team?
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copernicus
Joined: 13 Nov 2009 Posts: 3 Location: Cumbria UK
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: Soligor 135mm. f3.5 lens |
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copernicus wrote:
Thanks, Shrek, for sorting out my sundial picture on the Tamron 300mm. page. As you will have guessed, I am new to this site. I have just stumbled upon your recent posting regarding the 135mm. f3.5 Soligor lens and could not agree more. I pick these up for under a tenner and my last ‘find’ was one for 99p. on eBay!!! It was in mint condition together with original box. The lens configuration has 4 elements against the 5 elements of my Pentax 135mm. f3.5 but in use, I cannot see the difference in results. I carry one everywhere and, as indicated, have several in reserve. Why more people do not know about this little gem is beyond me. That said, not all Soligor lenses score so highly with me. I have used the Soligor 250mm./ f4.5 on bird photographs many years ago and it was only an average performer.
The remarkable thing is that on my Pentax ist* DS, the sensor size means that one is only using two thirds of the field and in the case of my lions photograph, that is only the central half of the original digital image!
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FernandoB12
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:57 am Post subject: |
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FernandoB12 wrote:
haley,
I have the Soligor 135mm 2.8. I like it very much.
Sample
![](http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/200911/1432_Flolha02Low_2.jpg) _________________ Camera: Nikon D80 Canon 20D Pentax Spotmatic
Manual Lens: Nikkor 24mm f/2.8; Nikkor Ai 50mm f/1.4; Nikkor 50mm f/2.0; Nikkor Micro AI 55mm f/3.5; Nikkor H 85mm f/1.8; Nikkor P.C 105mm f/2.5; Nikkor Q 135mm f/2.8; Nikkor P 180mm f/2.8; Nikon Series E 75~150mm f/3.5;
SMC Takumar 50mm f/1.4; SMC Takumar 55mm f/1.8; Super Takumar 85mm f/1.9; Takumar S-M-C 120mm f/2.8; Takumar S-M-C 200mm f/4; Tele Takumar 300mm f/6.3
Vivitar Series 1 Macro 105mm 2.5
Helios M44-4 58mm f/2; Soligor 350mm f/5.6; Soligor 135mm f/2.8;
AF Lens: AF-S Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 G ED; AF Nikkor 70-210mm f/4-5.6; |
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haley
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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haley wrote:
I'm having a hard time picking one of my 135mm b/c I never use them. I keep meaning to take them out, but I always forget or leave them in favor of other lenses. I'm still wanting to pick up the Pentacon preset, but it's nice to see that people like the Soligar. The long one I picked up that day has impressed me. |
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PaulC
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PaulC wrote:
Lions and tuataras in Cumbria already? Damn! This global warming is kicking in faster than I expected!
Great shots. I love the lizard.
I would guess that this lens is overlooked because there are simply so many good 135 designs out there (and, of course, it hasn't been hyped here ... yet) _________________ View or buy my photos at:
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cooltouch
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cooltouch wrote:
Can't comment directly on your lens finds, so I'll blather about other things.
Love your last two photos!
One of the things I miss the most about living in the Los Angeles area is the abundance of swap meets. Here in Houston, there is only one that I know of, and most of the stuff I've seen when I've gone there looks like it was pulled out of people's trash piles. Back when I was a camera dealer back in LA, I used to go to swap meets at least once a week, and regularly found stuff that I would usually be able to clean up and resell. Nowadays I don't do that anymore, and when I find something, it's to put into my own collection -- for a while at least. These days I go to garage/yard/moving/estate sales, where my batting average is probably about 1 out of 20 or so.
So anyway, I read through your posts with more than a small feeling of wistfulness and envy.
Oops, didn't realize there was another page of posts. Oh well. Nice looking shots with those old lenses. Once again. _________________ Michael
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copernicus
Joined: 13 Nov 2009 Posts: 3 Location: Cumbria UK
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject: Soligor 135mm f3.5 lens |
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copernicus wrote:
Thanks, PaulC, for identifying my lizard as a tutara. The lizard and bald eagle were photographed in Tenerife zoo parks. The lions were in the Serengeti. Goodness only knows why my wife keeps dragging me to such places when we have exotic animals in abundance a couple of miles down the road from here at the South Lakes Wild Animal Park, one of the county's main visitor attractions.
Your fears about global warming are ill-founded if the weather today in Cumbria is anything to go by. |
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PaulC
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Soligor 135mm f3.5 lens |
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PaulC wrote:
copernicus wrote: |
Thanks, PaulC, for identifying my lizard as a tutara. . |
Well, that's my guess. But it is meant to be in New Zealand, not Africa, so I could be wrong. _________________ View or buy my photos at:
http://shutterstock.com/g/paulcowan |
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