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35mm is my favourite focal lenght, I like to walk around with my 5D and the Flektogon 2.4/35. However, sometimes it would be nice to have that one or two more f-stops, when light is missing or there are objects which could get more of a 3D effect.
Which lenses would you recommend? Mirror on 5D is not shaved. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Which fast 35mm would you recommend for EOS 5D? |
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35mm is my favourite focal lenght, I like to walk around with my 5D and the Flektogon 2.4/35. However, sometimes it would be nice to have that one or two more f-stops, when light is missing or there are objects which could get more of a 3D effect.
Which lenses would you recommend? Mirror on 5D is not shaved. |
The Nikon 35mm f1.4 AIS.  |
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I went through a similar decision process a few months ago. I was considering both the Contax 35/1.4 and Nikon 35/1.4. I decided the Contax was too expensive and I didn't like the Nikon's bokeh. So then I started considering slightly slower options. Based on many opinions, reviews, tests, etc. I narrowed it down to Rokkor 35/1.8 and Canon FD 35/2 SSC (Ver.I).
I found the Canon for $50 and bought it. Conversion was pretty easy (but I am getting pretty good at it by now).
I have no regrets. Extremely sharp and contrasty wide open and very nice bokeh (for a 35mm). Much better than my EF 35/2.
Make sure to get the SSC Ver.I only. You can tell because the aperture only goes to f16, not f22. The f16 version has a concave front element and at least one thoriated element.
Here are some sample shots wide open:
100% crop:
Here it is at infinity, at f2:
100% crop from above:
Still wide open:
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Which fast 35mm would you recommend for EOS 5D? |
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35mm is my favourite focal lenght, I like to walk around with my 5D and the Flektogon 2.4/35. However, sometimes it would be nice to have that one or two more f-stops, when light is missing or there are objects which could get more of a 3D effect.
Which lenses would you recommend? Mirror on 5D is not shaved. |
The Nikon 35mm f1.4 AIS. |
+1 and if you have more money CZ Distagon 35mm f1.4
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Big WOW Cogitech! Many thanks to sharing!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Which fast 35mm would you recommend for EOS 5D? |
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cooltouch wrote:
| DSG wrote: |
| mflex-on wrote: |
35mm is my favourite focal lenght, I like to walk around with my 5D and the Flektogon 2.4/35. However, sometimes it would be nice to have that one or two more f-stops, when light is missing or there are objects which could get more of a 3D effect.
Which lenses would you recommend? Mirror on 5D is not shaved. |
The Nikon 35mm f1.4 AIS. |
+2 on this. I owned one of these years ago, and it was a great lens. I own a non-AI 35mm f/2 (AI'd by Nikon) that I use with my EOS right now. So, if you can't fit the 1.4 into your budget, the f/2 flavor also does a great job.
True, the Canon concave 35/2 is an excellent optic, but it's uncommon and requires mods to adapt, so I'd give a nod to the Nikkor. Non-AIs are pretty common, thus not very expensive, and can be mounted using the adapter without needing any mods.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Which fast 35mm would you recommend for EOS 5D? |
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mflex-on wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| DSG wrote: |
| mflex-on wrote: |
35mm is my favourite focal lenght, I like to walk around with my 5D and the Flektogon 2.4/35. However, sometimes it would be nice to have that one or two more f-stops, when light is missing or there are objects which could get more of a 3D effect.
Which lenses would you recommend? Mirror on 5D is not shaved. |
The Nikon 35mm f1.4 AIS. |
+1 and if you have more money CZ Distagon 35mm f1.4 |
Does it keep mirror free? |
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LucisPictor wrote:
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| Big WOW Cogitech! Many thanks to sharing! |
WOW indeed! Great results!
Are you able to convert any FD lens?
BTW, the Leica Summicron 2/35 also is a fantastic lens, but I don't know if it has morror issues...
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hinnerker wrote:
[quote="LucisPictor"]
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BTW, the Leica Summicron 2/35 also is a fantastic lens, but I don't know if it has morror issues... |
Works on the 5D without any probs.. but its not a recommanded lens for FF in fact of egde to edge sharpness. For Cropcams this Leica is beautiful, but not for FF.
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[quote="hinnerker"]
| LucisPictor wrote: |
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BTW, the Leica Summicron 2/35 also is a fantastic lens, but I don't know if it has morror issues... |
Works on the 5D without any probs.. but its not a recommanded lens for FF in fact of egde to edge sharpness. For Cropcams this Leica is beautiful, but not for FF.
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Well, I agree when wide open the corners sharpness is poor as is illumination but, I love the look on my 5D.
The Summicron 2/35 has a character that is very pleasing and more often found in longer FL's at wide open.
Stopped down it performs as a leica.
I would not pass it over for the Nikkor personally.
If you can find a Distagon at a decent price.......take it. 
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cogitech wrote:
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| Big WOW Cogitech! Many thanks to sharing! |
WOW indeed! Great results!
Are you able to convert any FD lens?
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It is probably the best $50 I have ever spent on a lens. In fact, it ended up being a gift from my in-laws in Japan so, really, it was free.
I do not know if I can convert any FD lens, but I have been mostly successful with all that I have tried so far. By "mostly", I mean that some are not quite to infinity, and one can only be used wide open (FD 300mm f4L) but they are all very useful, for sure. With the 35/2, I was able to maintain both full aperture control and infinity focus.
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Orio wrote:
Everybody knows I am VERY partial on the Distagon 1.4/35, so I will not comment.
If buying new is also an option, I would consider the ZE DIstagon 2/35 when it will be available in Canon mount (probably before Christmas):
http://www.zeiss.com/C12567A8003B58B9/ContentsWWWIntern/F059B023D3F70687C12571EC0051BB9E#5
Canon mount will mean full use of camera's options (including time priority and depth of field modes), supposedly no light metering problems, and correct EXIF data in all shots.
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And if you're short on budget, consider the MIR-24N (nikon mount) or MIR-24M (M42 mount).
They are amongst the finest soviet lenses, in my opinion.
35mm f/2
Best qualities: super bokeh wide open, great colour saturation at all stops.
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mflex-on wrote:
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And if you're short on budget, consider the MIR-24N (nikon mount) or MIR-24M (M42 mount).
They are amongst the finest soviet lenses, in my opinion.
35mm f/2
Best qualities: super bokeh wide open, great colour saturation at all stops. |
Would you rate this MIR better than the 2.4/35 Flektogon? |
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peterqd wrote:
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And if you're short on budget, consider the MIR-24N (nikon mount) or MIR-24M (M42 mount).
They are amongst the finest soviet lenses, in my opinion.
35mm f/2
Best qualities: super bokeh wide open, great colour saturation at all stops. |
Would you rate this MIR better than the 2.4/35 Flektogon? |
I did a simple comparison between the Mir-24M and the Flek 2.4/35 in 2007:
http://forum.mflenses.com/head-to-head-flek-2-4-35-v-mir-24m-2-35-t1338,highlight,flek++mir.html
The Mir was slightly less sharp in the corners (on a crop cam) but there was very little to choose between them. The Mir gives considerably warmer tones.
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If the budget isn't your issue, consider CZ 35/1.4. It's an one of my favorite lens.
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mflex-on wrote:
Thanks for all replies so far!
Well, Zeiss! Is it a C/Y mount lens? Are there any issues in versions (old/new) and finally: how much will I have to invest - normal prices, bargains ever welcome
Budget is a criterium, but nevertheless I am willing and am able to pay for good or better lens power. |
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Thanks for all replies so far!
Well, Zeiss! Is it a C/Y mount lens? Are there any issues in versions (old/new) and finally: how much will I have to invest - normal prices, bargains ever welcome |
Very difficult to find the Distagon 1.4/35 at a bargain price.
Expect a minimum price around 500 Euros. Upper price limit around 900 Euros.
Typical average price nowadays: around 600 Euros. Which is double of the average price until a couple of years ago. Yes, they have raised so much.
Cogitech recommends the Samyang 1.2/35. It will be released soon at a very affordable price. Before making a buying decision, you may want to check into it. As for quality, we only have Cogitech's words so far. No sample pictures posted by Samyang yet.
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I just picked up the oldest nikkor-n version of the nikon 35mm f/1.4 this week. I havn't had too much of a chance to fool with it yet. I've had the f/2 version for a bit and the spiratone 35mm f/1.8, both of which I didn't care for too much. For the way I shoot 1.4 blows the 2 or 1.8 out of the water. Here's a shot with the 5dmkii in a dimly lit room. Sorry about the white balance...I had it set for tungsten. The bokeh is a little busy, I think. But I like it.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3427/3994773841_68403849c8_b.jpg
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mattbenn8 wrote:
I almost forgot. The early version of the nikkor-n that I have definitely has thoriated glass in it. It's very yellow. Even more so than my super-multi-coated tak. Here's another off color sample illustrating how it can look.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2476/3990148017_6a0cf9b338_b.jpg
This pic was taken before I got the nikon to eos adapter. I just glued an old adapter to the back which had an incorrect registry distance that allowed me to take shots well under the lenses normal minimum focusing distance, but not to infinity(not even close...more like 2 to 3 meters). Now, with the correct adapter it focuses beyond infinity, which I don't like either, but oh well. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Which fast 35mm would you recommend for EOS 5D? |
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35mm is my favourite focal lenght, I like to walk around with my 5D and the Flektogon 2.4/35. However, sometimes it would be nice to have that one or two more f-stops, when light is missing or there are objects which could get more of a 3D effect.
Which lenses would you recommend? Mirror on 5D is not shaved. |
35L is one of the best lenses, period. That would be the one if you have the cash. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Which fast 35mm would you recommend for EOS 5D? |
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35mm is my favourite focal lenght, I like to walk around with my 5D and the Flektogon 2.4/35. However, sometimes it would be nice to have that one or two more f-stops, when light is missing or there are objects which could get more of a 3D effect.
Which lenses would you recommend? Mirror on 5D is not shaved. |
35L is one of the best lenses, period. That would be the one if you have the cash. |
May be. I think about it or better give it a try.
How is MF there? Plastic-like, indirect? I only have a 24-70L and I do not like MF there. |
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35mm is my favourite focal lenght, I like to walk around with my 5D and the Flektogon 2.4/35. However, sometimes it would be nice to have that one or two more f-stops, when light is missing or there are objects which could get more of a 3D effect.
Which lenses would you recommend? Mirror on 5D is not shaved. |
35L is one of the best lenses, period. That would be the one if you have the cash. |
May be. I think about it or better give it a try.
How is MF there? Plastic-like, indirect? I only have a 24-70L and I do not like MF there. |
AF lenses have to have poor indirect manual focusing so that AF can be quick and precise. If they had a nice smooth dampened feel, it would burn out the AF motor.
So, yeah, it will have weak MF feel compared to true MF glass - probably on par with the 24-70L.
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mikkokam wrote:
 Sorry, this is not 35 mm - slightly wider at 28 mm, but it is a bargain: Vivitar Series 1 28/1.9. I got mine for 40€ at eBay last month. Has a very unique dynamic bokeh, is quite sharp (for the price) already at f/1.9. Renders nice colors and contrast every time. Great all-around available light lens. Pictures with this lens: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikkokam/tags/vivitarseries12819/
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