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I am torn between Planar 50/1.7 and Pancolar 50/1.8
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:26 am    Post subject: I am torn between Planar 50/1.7 and Pancolar 50/1.8 Reply with quote
I am shopping for a CZ 50mm and I know that Planar is sharper than Pancolar at wide open but what about bokeh? I am a huge fan of creamy bokeh... Confused


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
59 views and no comments Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:56 pm    Post subject: Planar vs Pancolor Reply with quote
WallyJr74 wrote:
59 views and no comments Rolling Eyes


I have neither but would also be interested to see what others have to say !


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
As you already suppose, it is a matter of personal taste.
I would opt for the Planar, but if you prefer the classic, "warm" look the Pancolar might be the better option.


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why torn and all stressed out - get both and live happily since... Wink


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
Why torn and all stressed out - get both and live happily since... Wink


Maybe I should. Very Happy


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Perhaps the better option. And with th copies in your hands, you can see.


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just bought the zebra Pancolar from ebay for only 20 pounds! Very Happy

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300308747568&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123

Planar is next! Laughing


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think to try both is best.
The PM with pics is coming.
I have to just get home to do them as I mentioned before Wink


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I own both and my favourite is the Planar, no doubt, but as already mentioned is a matter of taste...

Regards.
Jes.

Last edited by Jesito on Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:55 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
BTW

my opinion is the best combo of Sharpness and Bokeh is the Takumars.
Another member has a SMC version in the Marketplace for a nice price.
I have a de-yellowed supertak version there also.
The SMC has better contrast and flare control although, very difficult to tell the difference in most cases.
In my opinion the ST version is nicer build. Both are excellent.

If you can shoot Nikon lenses. There are many to try there as well.
Same for Zuiko especially the "Japan" ones.

I think a lot of guys here have a large collection of 50mm lenses as they are cheap and there are many excellent ones.
It is a fun part of the collection to "play around".

Cheers
Andy

Ok I edit after I see your list.
You have Tomiokas for your Bokeh lens.
Try the Planar 1.7/50 or a later Zuiko 1.4/50 for your sharp lens.
The Zuiko that has just the word "Japan" on the trim ring is the latest batch and the best.
Zuiko had many variations all are good......those are supposed to be the best.


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
F16SUNSHINE wrote:
BTW
The SMC has better contrast and flare control although, very difficult to tell the difference in most cases.
In my opinion the ST version is nicer build. Both are excellent.
Cheers
Andy


Andy, I agree about the ST.

My father had the ST 1,4/50 (the old with 8 elements). I have a lot of perutz color slides of the principles of the 60's.

The lens seems very sharp (considering the old film)


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Ok I edit after I see your list.
You have Tomiokas for your Bokeh lens.
Try the Planar 1.7/50 or a later Zuiko 1.4/50 for your sharp lens.


Yea I have two "Tomioka" lenses and they are lovely but they don't give the 3D feeling or binocular effect like Zeiss.

I am still waiting for your photos. Very Happy


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If it's that Zeissy 3D you are looking for.
You should really rather take a Planar 1.4/50.

In a nutshell here is the difference.
The 1.7 is sharper (but not much) until about 2.8 were they will become equals in sharpness.
The 1.4 IMHO has better micro-contrast and 3D effect.
The transition of the OOF is smoother and gives more plasticity.

If you are going for a 5oish Portrait lens on a cropped cam.
That Planar 1.4/50 is the lens to choose Smile


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
50/1.4 is nice but I prefer 1.7's bokeh. Like my 135, it's very smooth and less harsh.

From slrlensreview.com;

50/1.7


50/1.4


PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have the 1.4 and the 1.7. The 1.7 is not great condition, with surface marks and internal dust, but works fine, and is mechanically perfect. The 1.4 is in nice condition. I can't say why, but I am much happier with the 1.4. I just like the images it makes.

The 1.7 will go, whenever I can get round to selling it, probably for not very much. I paid £30 for it.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
WallyJr74

If your Pancolar isn't yellowish you will find this lens a very good ones.

My father in law used a contax with planar 1,4/50. I never used it but saw the prints.

Sharpness and 3 D, yes it had but no more than my pancolar 50. And for me the pancolar has more yet.

Of course all is a taste question, as the fellows say.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I found this link very instructive: http://www.lupomesky.cz/czj_vs_cz/comp50.html


PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Retro wrote:
I found this link very instructive: http://www.lupomesky.cz/czj_vs_cz/comp50.html


Different lenses.

CA and sharpness at the corner [at max ap.] are the characteristics that give the different performance of each lens.

I have none. I would like to have both and play with them.

Waiting for that day............


PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Planar 1.7/50 and Pancolar 1.8/50 are very similar lenses.
Planar 1.4/50 is different.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Planar 1.7/50 and Pancolar 1.8/50 are very similar lenses.
Planar 1.4/50 is different.


That's right Orio, I have to learn many many thinks watching here in the forum and "talk" with accuracy. I understand that the pancolar is a copy of planar.

I can't explain how these lens give that different character on the film or ths sensor......I mean [CA+...]

What is that making the difference, the material quality may be?

The DDR tuning technology may be?

And why the planar design is different between 1.7 and 1.4?

New in town, too many questions, I know..... Laughing Laughing


PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
magnet-2009 wrote:
Orio wrote:
Planar 1.7/50 and Pancolar 1.8/50 are very similar lenses.
Planar 1.4/50 is different.

That's right Orio, I have to learn many many thinks watching here in the forum and "talk" with accuracy. I understand that the pancolar is a copy of planar.
I can't explain how these lens give that different character on the film or ths sensor......I mean [CA+...]
What is that making the difference, the material quality may be?
The DDR tuning technology may be?


The materials, the making... the quality controls... there is a lot of factors besides the optical design.
I have had both the Planar 1.7/50 and the Pancolar 1.8/50 and I rate them on the same level. Both very sharp, with the same type of bokeh.
The Planar 1.4/50 is different because the larger front glass makes it more sensitive to a number of problems typical of very fast lenses like edge performance, aberrations etc. At the same time, it gives the lens a particular personality that sometimes faster lenses, better calibrated, don't have.
This is true of the Planar 1.4 and of other 1.4 lenses as well, like the Nikkor AIS 1.4, which looks different from the 1.8 model.


PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you sir,

in that case I am going for the 50/1.7 cause the better qc. I watch the prices on ebay and I think that pancolar is over-overpriced [take a look at stil22 completed auctions]

Thank you again. I don't collect lenses, I look for good users, so I' ve changed my mind and I' ll go for a good priced cz 50/1.7.

To be honest [about collections etc] I've just hit an industar 50-2 [mflenses fever]...... Laughing Laughing Laughing


PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
I've just hit an industar 50-2 [mflenses fever]...


I fully can understand this fever: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23390142@N05/2357065617/

By the way: welcome in this nice club of M42-fools. Cool


PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very very nice to be here Retro. Cool
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