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Spotmatic
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 Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject: Surprise lens: pre-1900 E. Krauss Anastigmat on 5D |
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Spotmatic wrote:
This certainly is my surprise lens of the year. I bought it for 15 euros, sight unseen, because I wanted to own a brass lens. You cannot go wrong with 15 euros, right?
When I received it I immediately noticed how small it was, but also that the interior was completely hazy. Fortunately, this cleaned up perfectly. Even the diaphragm is smooth and dry...
So what did I get? The name, as found on the lens, is:
Anast.-Zeiss 1:8 f-136m/m Bte Sede E. Krauss & Cie Paris No. 24017.
As per the Vademecum, this lens was designed by Zeiss and made in licence by E. Krauss in Paris. Based on the serial number the lens dates to somewhere around 1896-1898, making it my oldest lens. But by no means the worst! Imagine my disbelief when I went on a walk tonight and returned with the images below. Everything was shot wide open, with the Krauss taped to a M42 bellows, which in turn was mounted on the Canon 5D.
This experience was a real eye opener for me. Will it be the same for you?
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WOW, I'm blown away - did the lens designers sleep the 100 years since then???
But since I know you and your work a bit now, a coke bottle bottom would deliver great results in your hands... 
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Bob van Sikorski
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Bob van Sikorski wrote:
i asking myself same quasetion. over 110 years and such pictures 
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Attila wrote:
Dang! Never seen this superb quality from this area! Many thanks for sharing!
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Laurence
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Laurence wrote:
Completely over the top! It's fascinating and rewarding to see this lens in "action". Your images are easily on a par with modern lenses, at least at these web sizes. Magnificent lens indeed!
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
Thanks everyone! The real surprise, to me, was that the pictures really were this contrasty. I think it has everything to do with the lens being only f/8, so there are no large glass surfaces causing light scattering. Remember, guys, these pictures were shot wide open! The last picture was shot into the sun (although not directly; I used my hand as a sun shade).
The story would have been completely different with a f/2 lens of the same length, I think.
I really liked the experience and would like to use the Krauss a bit more...
@Klaus: I had a laugh because you are not the first to note that I could get good results with any lens. But I cannot make treasure out of trash, so the kudos should go to the Krauss this time
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poilu wrote:
congrats spot! at this size, it is indeed impressive |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Astounding!
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
Remember, at that times, lenses were designed for photographers. Not for reviewers 
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
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| Remember, at that times, lenses were designed for photographers. Not for reviewers |
How true that is... Sometimes they are too busy studying MTF charts and do not realize that they could have been taking photos instead!
BTW: I have added a picture of the setup in the first post.
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Orio wrote:
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But since I know you and your work a bit now, a coke bottle bottom would deliver great results in your hands... |
Yes, that is precisely the point, Spotmatic isn't a fair game, any lens would look a champion with him 
However Zeiss anastigmats (Zeiss invented the name but did not copyright it, so the other manufacturers copied it) have a very good reputation.
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patrickh wrote:
I hope I perform as well at that age!
Peter, you really do make the lenses hum
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scsambrook wrote:
[quote="Spotmatic"]Thanks everyone! The real surprise, to me, was that the pictures really were this contrasty. I think it has everything to do with the lens being only f/8
Exactly - "Moderate Aperture + Care in Computation + Precision Manufacture = High Quality"
It really does look very good indeed, and the pictures themselves are lovely to look at. Maybe we should add "+ An Eye for a Picture" to the equation !
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SkedAddled wrote:
I'll echo the "Gee, wow!" sentiments already given.
Who'd have thought such an archaic lens would produce such lovely
and sharp results?
And that's a very elegant mount solution you've come up with, Spot.
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Screamin Scott wrote:
I'm blown away by the results ! Truly inspiring results from this old lens...
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yalcinaydin wrote:
Perfect!
It is really joyfull to see some 100 years old lens performs this good.
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Carlsson wrote:
Amazing, I'm speechless!
I'm sure Spotmatic could use a coke bottle and would get great results
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Laurence wrote:
I had to come back and look, and I'm still blown away.
I wonder what the results would be with a polarizer? I'm betting the colors and contrast will be enriched even more, at least for some of the images.
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
Maybe I could try a polarizer? I have enough of those here.
By the way, I have decided to make this even more fun as I have just bought a brass Voigtlander lens which, based on the serial number, was made in 1867. No idea if it will be good, as I do not have much information. It does not look like it is complete, but hopefully all elements are there. It's almost 100% sure a Petzval lens. Well, it was very cheap so I cannot complain
It is this one:
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Swappo wrote:
Wow! The pics from the first lens are amazing!
I can't belive that a more than 100 years old lens is that sharp and nice!
I'm really impressed! |
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rawhead wrote:
Oh GOD, just what I need... a whole new WORLD of lenses to lust after! 
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trifox wrote:
PERFECT RESULTS!!
wow --
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LucisPictor wrote:
I am not that surprised by these excellent results. First some of these very old lenses are really great and second you are a fine photographer.
I am, however, also surprised by the contrast this lens delivers. This indeed is astounding!
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