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Chiti
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 78 Location: La Coruña,Spain
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:28 am Post subject: 35mm: Distagon 2.8 or Flektogon 2.4?? |
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Chiti wrote:
Hi everybody.
I'm looking for a good 35mm to put a new puzzle piece in my collection.
I was convinced with the Flek, but I have seen the Distagon and I can't find much information about this lens.
What dou you recomend?? Another model about 200$??
Thank you
Regards! _________________ D-SLR: Canon 5D II | Panasonic GH1 | Canon 24-105L | Panasonic 14-140
SLR: Contax RX, Ricoh KR-10X, Canon AE1, Praktica MTL-3.... and more
Lenses:
Carl Zeiss (Contax): Distagon 28/2.8 | Planar 50/1.7 y 85/1.4 | Sonnar 135/2.8 | Tele-Tessar 200/3.5
Tamron: 28-70 (44A) | 70-210 (46A) | 60-300 (23A)
Pentacon: 135/2.8 preset | 300/4 | 50/1.8
Rikenon: P Macro 105/2.8 (Kiron) | 50/2
Asahi Takumar: STak 55/1.8
Samyang: 14/2.8
Helios: 44-3 |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I made a blind test here one year ago comparing photos taken with a Flek 2.4/35 and a Distagon 2.8/35. The Distagon won but with a short margin.
For my own liking, I prefer Distagon because the better coating gives higher colour density and better resistance to flare. Some people values the ability of the Flek to focus closer, as more important.
All in all I'd say you won't go wrong with any of the two lenses. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Chiti
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 78 Location: La Coruña,Spain
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Chiti wrote:
Thanks Orio.
The closer distance of the Flek is not a a problem for me...
For this lens, I value the quality at fully open, beacause the 99% of the photos that I'm going to take with it the light conditios will be very badly, like little Jazz clubs when one 50 it's too long. (dreamin' with a full frame...hehehehe)
I'm going to search your review.
Thank you! _________________ D-SLR: Canon 5D II | Panasonic GH1 | Canon 24-105L | Panasonic 14-140
SLR: Contax RX, Ricoh KR-10X, Canon AE1, Praktica MTL-3.... and more
Lenses:
Carl Zeiss (Contax): Distagon 28/2.8 | Planar 50/1.7 y 85/1.4 | Sonnar 135/2.8 | Tele-Tessar 200/3.5
Tamron: 28-70 (44A) | 70-210 (46A) | 60-300 (23A)
Pentacon: 135/2.8 preset | 300/4 | 50/1.8
Rikenon: P Macro 105/2.8 (Kiron) | 50/2
Asahi Takumar: STak 55/1.8
Samyang: 14/2.8
Helios: 44-3 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
In bad light you can use any cheap fast lens too. _________________ -------------------------------
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djmike
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:45 am Post subject: |
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djmike wrote:
Orio wrote: |
I made a blind test here one year ago comparing photos taken with a Flek 2.4/35 and a Distagon 2.8/35. The Distagon won but with a short margin........ |
Hi Orio, could you post the test here again? I would like to see the comments from various users and see how Distagon beats Flek. thanks. _________________
DSLR: Canon 400D
SLR: Nikon FM2 + Canon A-1 + Canon AE1-P + Praktica MTL-5B + Pentax Spotmatic F + Fujica ST801 + Voigtlander Bassematic + Voigtlander Vito + Rollei 35S + Rolleiflex SL35 ME + Canon QL17 GIII + Olympus Pen EE-3
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M42: CZJ Flektogon 35/2.4 + CZJ Flektogon Zebra 35/2.8 + CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 + CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 + CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 Chrome + Pentacon 135/2.8 + Pentacon 50/1.8 + SMC Takumar 50/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55/2 + SMC Takumar 135/3.5 + Fujinon 55/1.8 + Jupiter-9 85/2 + Jupiter-37A 135/3.5 + Helios 44-6 58/2
Nikor: Nikkor 50/1.4 + Nikkor 28/3.5 + Nikkor 35-105 Zoom + 36-72 Series E Zoom
Canon: Canon FD + 28/2.8 + 50/1.8 + Canon 35-105 Macro Zoom
Other: Rollei Planar HFT 50/1.8
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:59 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Dj Mike wrote: |
Hi Orio, could you post the test here again? I would like to see the comments from various users and see how Distagon beats Flek. thanks |
http://forum.mflenses.com/blindfold-test-t6715.html |
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:10 pm Post subject: Wide angle lenses |
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scsambrook wrote:
Attila wrote: |
In bad light you can use any cheap fast lens too. |
Forgive me, but is not bad lighting exactly the situation where high class fast lenses will show their superiority? A superior handling of flare and internal reflections, perhaps? A better ability to maintain clean, open shadows, maybe?
I'm happy to be educated, but I though fast lenses were meant to be used in bad light, so if you are correct, I wonder why anyone should actually buy an expensive fast lens? Perhaps I need a litle guidance here. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
If you simply must have the Zeiss look you may use either lens on a cropped body.
I would have to suggest to stay away from the Flek if border is important to you on full frame.
I have what I consider an Excellent copy of the flek (thanks Attila) and still the corners are soft and confused.
The Distagon on the other hand has a better build quality, Coatings (the best), and is sharp across the field. Also about the same price.
One more lens you should consider and it is in this same price field is the Zuiko 2/35.
It is one stop faster yes. I would say sharper at 2.8 than either of the Zeiss lenses wide open.
The Zuiko has a bit cooler colors and micro contrast . Rendering is more similar to Leica than Zeiss (more info less 3D).
It could be your best choice for concerts in low light short of a Distagon 1.4/35 (The KING)
Build quality is as good as anything available from anyone building Reflex lenses. _________________ Moderator |
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djmike
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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djmike wrote:
Thanks, poilu. That test is interesting. _________________
DSLR: Canon 400D
SLR: Nikon FM2 + Canon A-1 + Canon AE1-P + Praktica MTL-5B + Pentax Spotmatic F + Fujica ST801 + Voigtlander Bassematic + Voigtlander Vito + Rollei 35S + Rolleiflex SL35 ME + Canon QL17 GIII + Olympus Pen EE-3
Lenses
M42: CZJ Flektogon 35/2.4 + CZJ Flektogon Zebra 35/2.8 + CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 + CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 + CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 Chrome + Pentacon 135/2.8 + Pentacon 50/1.8 + SMC Takumar 50/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55/2 + SMC Takumar 135/3.5 + Fujinon 55/1.8 + Jupiter-9 85/2 + Jupiter-37A 135/3.5 + Helios 44-6 58/2
Nikor: Nikkor 50/1.4 + Nikkor 28/3.5 + Nikkor 35-105 Zoom + 36-72 Series E Zoom
Canon: Canon FD + 28/2.8 + 50/1.8 + Canon 35-105 Macro Zoom
Other: Rollei Planar HFT 50/1.8
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
BTW Chiti I have used all three on the 40D (as you own).
They all have strengths that can be used to advantage.
For low light.....Zuiko (also best for B+W)
Close focus......Flek
Best sharpness, color, Build, and Contrast .........Distagon.
Opinion only of course but that is what you are looking for. _________________ Moderator |
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hk300
Joined: 30 Oct 2008 Posts: 1041 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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hk300 wrote:
and how about the Nikon 35/2 ? _________________ No longer member , please don't try to contact to him |
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ChrisLilley
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1767 Location: Nice, France
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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ChrisLilley wrote:
and the Mir 24-N 35mm f/2 as well, perhaps _________________ Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
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Chiti
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 78 Location: La Coruña,Spain
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Chiti wrote:
Thanks to everybody, specially to f16sunshine
I seen the Zuiko in other Forum, and these stop looks good, and the images taken at wide open looks very usable.
The distagon 1.4... if anyone sends me to Spain 1200$, I'll buy it at the moment
I think that the distagon is the better chice, because in the future i will change the 40D to Full frame, and the better cornes in the distagon calls me
The 2.8 is not a problem (with the 50mm i can shoot with this aperture without problems) if the images are perfect usable, and I think that.
Thank you!! _________________ D-SLR: Canon 5D II | Panasonic GH1 | Canon 24-105L | Panasonic 14-140
SLR: Contax RX, Ricoh KR-10X, Canon AE1, Praktica MTL-3.... and more
Lenses:
Carl Zeiss (Contax): Distagon 28/2.8 | Planar 50/1.7 y 85/1.4 | Sonnar 135/2.8 | Tele-Tessar 200/3.5
Tamron: 28-70 (44A) | 70-210 (46A) | 60-300 (23A)
Pentacon: 135/2.8 preset | 300/4 | 50/1.8
Rikenon: P Macro 105/2.8 (Kiron) | 50/2
Asahi Takumar: STak 55/1.8
Samyang: 14/2.8
Helios: 44-3 |
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Chiti
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 78 Location: La Coruña,Spain
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Chiti wrote:
Hello!
And the Pentax SMC 35/2??
I found some units with a very good price.
Regards _________________ D-SLR: Canon 5D II | Panasonic GH1 | Canon 24-105L | Panasonic 14-140
SLR: Contax RX, Ricoh KR-10X, Canon AE1, Praktica MTL-3.... and more
Lenses:
Carl Zeiss (Contax): Distagon 28/2.8 | Planar 50/1.7 y 85/1.4 | Sonnar 135/2.8 | Tele-Tessar 200/3.5
Tamron: 28-70 (44A) | 70-210 (46A) | 60-300 (23A)
Pentacon: 135/2.8 preset | 300/4 | 50/1.8
Rikenon: P Macro 105/2.8 (Kiron) | 50/2
Asahi Takumar: STak 55/1.8
Samyang: 14/2.8
Helios: 44-3 |
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