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 Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: Screw-on filter size for Ultron 50/2 ? |
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Hello! My first topic in this section!
I just received a Voigtländer Prominent I w/ Ultron 50/2 in great condition via Ebay. I'm very satisfied with everything, and feel that this is a keeper. A couple of problems: one, I don't have a cap for the lens (which is more than half the reason I got the camera for), and I would like to get filters for it, but the slip-on type genuine filters are very rare and expensive, and I would also like to be able to use an ND filter with it so that I can shoot at full aperture in daylight, and I don't think there are any genuine ND filters.
Therefore, I would like to seek the option to get a step-up adapter for it and use one of the more generic filter/sizes.
The other problem, of course, is that I do not know the filter size for this lens.
The outer diameter is 47mm, which I guess means that the if I were to go for the genuine slip-on filters, I'd be going for the 3xx/47 model numbers. However, I'd like to use the screws. The inner diameter is just aroud 44.3 mm. Does anybody know the filter size that would work for these? Better yet, anybody know of a way to get a step-up adapter for these? Any help would be appreicated. Thanks!
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http://www.srb-griturn.com/our-filter-range-at-a-glance-chart-174-c.asp
Can make any filter you like in all sorts of weird sizes.
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rawhead wrote:
Thanks for the tip! Sent them an e-mail 
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hk300 wrote:
see here
Click here to see on Ebay
Is this the lens? It seems it is a 47mm filter thread?
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Is this the lens? It seems it is a 47mm filter thread? |
Hi, thanks! Yes, this is the lens, and this filter will work, but it's a slip-on filter..it will go over the entire lens barrel, which has an outer diameter of 47mm. What I wish to find is a filter that will screw into the threads.
Since a fairly precise measurement with a caliper shows that the inner diameter is 44.3 mm ish, and the inner diameter of filter threads tend to be a little smaller than their specs on paper (e.g., my Color-Ultron with 49mm filter thread actually has an inner diameter measured this way of about 48.2 mm; a 49 mm filter's outer diameter of its male threads is actually around 48.8 mm), I'm guessing it would have to be a filter marked 45 mm. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any filters or setp-up adapters for 45 mm 
Thanks for the find though.
My god this guy's overcharging for the lens; I got mine minty, with the cam for just $200 or so...
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Laurence wrote:
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Is this the lens? It seems it is a 47mm filter thread? |
Hi, thanks! Yes, this is the lens, and this filter will work, but it's a slip-on filter..it will go over the entire lens barrel, which has an outer diameter of 47mm. What I wish to find is a filter that will screw into the threads.
Since a fairly precise measurement with a caliper shows that the inner diameter is 44.3 mm ish, and the inner diameter of filter threads tend to be a little smaller than their specs on paper (e.g., my Color-Ultron with 49mm filter thread actually has an inner diameter measured this way of about 48.2 mm; a 49 mm filter's outer diameter of its male threads is actually around 48.8 mm), I'm guessing it would have to be a filter marked 45 mm. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any filters or setp-up adapters for 45 mm
Thanks for the find though.
My god this guy's overcharging for the lens; I got mine minty, with the cam for just $200 or so... |
Of COURSE it is being overcharged...after all, it's Photo Arsenal! 
Take a look at their auctions if you want a good laugh...unfortunately they DO seem to sell a lot of gear at the outrageous prices.
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rawhead wrote:
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Take a look at their auctions if you want a good laugh...unfortunately they DO seem to sell a lot of gear at the outrageous prices. |
OMG, I just did 
The top item when I clicked on "Store" was 124K! So I sorted to "Price Lowest First" and their cheapest item was a filter for $56!! :-DDD
I had to go the 3rd page or so to actually find a lens; a P6 Biometar for $100, which, I guess isn't that outrageous, although I wouldn't pay more than $70 for one. I sure hope they have good customer care Thanks for the giggles! 
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Since a fairly precise measurement with a caliper shows that the inner diameter is 44.3 mm ish, and the inner diameter of filter threads tend to be a little smaller than their specs on paper (e.g., my Color-Ultron with 49mm filter thread actually has an inner diameter measured this way of about 48.2 mm; a 49 mm filter's outer diameter of its male threads is actually around 48.8 mm), I'm guessing it would have to be a filter marked 45 mm. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any filters or setp-up adapters for 45 mm
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I have step-up rings that do 45-46, 45-49, 45-55, but i am not sure if these fit.
46mm UV filter is a common size, but since you measured 44.3, i doubt that yours is 46mm.
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Congratulations! The Prominent is an excellent camera, a worthy Leica and Zeiss competitor!
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estudleon wrote:
Great cam!!!!
One of Voigtlander's better cam!! I had it, after I need the $$$ and sold it.
I bought with lenshade, UV and cap. Never can buy any filter.
Other diameter that voig used in 35mm was 40,5 
Good luck
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I have step-up rings that do 45-46, 45-49, 45-55, but i am not sure if these fit.
46mm UV filter is a common size, but since you measured 44.3, i doubt that yours is 46mm. |
Cool! Where did you get the 45-46? I would be willing to spend $5 on a possible step-up solution; if it doesn't fit, the world still will be here
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rawhead wrote:
| LucisPictor wrote: |
| Congratulations! The Prominent is an excellent camera, a worthy Leica and Zeiss competitor! |
I had never been too interested in rangefinders, but I was just drawn into this baby for some reason. I like it! Thanks!
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rawhead wrote:
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Great cam!!!!
One of Voigtlander's better cam!! I had it, after I need the $$$ and sold it.
I bought with lenshade, UV and cap. Never can buy any filter.
Other diameter that voig used in 35mm was 40,5
Good luck
Rino. |
Ah, a lensshade would be cool; that shiny metal thing quite sexy Thanks for wishing me good luck!
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hk300 wrote:
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Other diameter that voig used in 35mm was 40,5
Rino. |
In my list of conversion adapters i have:
40.5 to 43
40.5 to 46
40.5 to 49
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hk300 wrote:
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I have step-up rings that do 45-46, 45-49, 45-55, but i am not sure if these fit.
46mm UV filter is a common size, but since you measured 44.3, i doubt that yours is 46mm. |
Cool! Where did you get the 45-46? I would be willing to spend $5 on a possible step-up solution; if it doesn't fit, the world still will be here |
LOL ...
I am in Hong Kong ... and i know most of the suppliers behind the Ebay vendors.
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hk300 wrote:
pics of the 45-49mm conversion ring
Rawhead ... it's on its way to you!
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rawhead wrote:
Shaweet! It looks so cute, even if it doesn't fit my cam, I'll treasure it )) Thanks a lot!
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hk300 wrote:
no problem ... let me know if you need other conversion rings
As soon as you can confirm that this filter will fit, a whole new world will open up ...
I guess i also have Alu /Metal hoods, lens caps, etc ...
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rawhead wrote:
SUCCESS !!
No force was necessary, so I think 45mm is the correct size! Thank you very much!!
Now I am interested in those hoods, caps, etc. 
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hk300 wrote:
good to hear!
let me know what you want.
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good to hear!
let me know what you want. |
Well, what kind of nice-looking hoods do you have?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Screw-on filter size for Ultron 50/2 ? |
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i think the correct size of filter is 45mm-49mm., i hope this may help you.,.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Screw-on filter size for Ultron 50/2 ? |
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[quote="chaser2009"]i think the correct size of filter is 45mm-49mm., i hope this may help you.,.
Hey there! A little late, but thanks!!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:31 am Post subject: Filters for Voigtlander Prominent |
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This note may be rather late and only of academic interest ... I had a Prominent outfit many years ago and I'm sure I recall that there were filters that screwed OVER the milled section on the lens that looks as though it's intended to let you grasp the lens when de-mounting it. I might be mistaken after 40-odd years, maybe it was the Focar close-up lenses that fitted that way - I had those as well.
It's a lovely camera, and if the lens is in good condition Rawhead will be delighted with the quality - load a roll of fresh Kodachrome and shoot when the light's poor to see how good it is!
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