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Phalbert
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 Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:22 pm Post subject: Tokina SZX 24-70 F3,5-4,8 |
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Phalbert wrote:
Since I found out this lens actually exists 😊I kept looking for one. It seems to be quite a rare item. Too expensive or too bad, or for whatever reason, there is about nothing in the net about this model except that keh has sold some in the past... I'm looking for ANY info you guys might have about that one please. Thank you ! Happy googling !
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My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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What about now? 
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Phalbert
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Well, absolutely nothing. It does exist 😊, There was one for sale in Thailand weeks ago. I was interested... never replied to my request. Looks really uncommon. Do you have one ? Selling ? 😊
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Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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heritagecameras
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heritagecameras wrote:
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| Well, absolutely nothing. It does exist 😊, There was one for sale in Thailand weeks ago. I was interested... never replied to my request. Looks really uncommon. Do you have one ? Selling ? 😊 |
It looks like that Tokina is actually a re-branded Kobori lens:
http://forum.mflenses.com/kobori-koboron-3-5-4-8-24-70-t67497.html
I seem to remember that it (with original Koboron branding) was the first 24-70mm zoom.
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
Hi Dave. Thanks a lot for your input and an informative link. It looks very much like the koboron and the tokina might be the same lens indeed. Now I need one of these in NAI mount... 😊
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My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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heritagecameras
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heritagecameras wrote:
| Phalbert wrote: |
| Hi Dave. Thanks a lot for your input and an informative link. It looks very much like the koboron and the tokina might be the same lens indeed. Now I need one of these in NAI mount... 😊 |
There's a Koboron on eBay UK at the moment, fitted to a Nikkormat:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NIKON-NIKKORMAT-FT-35mm-FILM-CAMERA-KOBORON-24-70mm-LENS-READ-DESCRIPTION/333896236319
It's listed as "For parts or not working" but "Includes Koboron f/3.5-4.8 24-70mm zoom lens - good condition with no obvious marks or fungus".
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Alun Thomas
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| Phalbert wrote: |
| Well, absolutely nothing. It does exist 😊, There was one for sale in Thailand weeks ago. I was interested... never replied to my request. Looks really uncommon. Do you have one ? Selling ? 😊 |
It looks like that Tokina is actually a re-branded Kobori lens:
http://forum.mflenses.com/kobori-koboron-3-5-4-8-24-70-t67497.html
I seem to remember that it (with original Koboron branding) was the first 24-70mm zoom. |
If it is the Kobori lens, then care may be required. I have a copy of that, but one internal element has enough haze to make the lens not worth using, which was also not removable by cleaning. I have also seen the ocassional copy of this lens for sale, but usually the seller mentions the haze, and it's often enough to wonder if the ones listed without mentioning haze just have a lister with either less experience, or less honesty. So, proceed with care. |
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heritagecameras
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If it is the Kobori lens, then care may be required. I have a copy of that, but one internal element has enough haze to make the lens not worth using, which was also not removable by cleaning. I have also seen the ocassional copy of this lens for sale, but usually the seller mentions the haze, and it's often enough to wonder if the ones listed without mentioning haze just have a lister with either less experience, or less honesty. So, proceed with care. |
That's a good point. A lens tested in the thread I linked to had the haze problem too.
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
Hi Dave. Thanks a lot for the ebay link. I'll have a look. 
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My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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DigiChromeEd
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If it is the Kobori lens, then care may be required. I have a copy of that, but one internal element has enough haze to make the lens not worth using, which was also not removable by cleaning. I have also seen the ocassional copy of this lens for sale, but usually the seller mentions the haze, and it's often enough to wonder if the ones listed without mentioning haze just have a lister with either less experience, or less honesty. So, proceed with care. |
That's a good point. A lens tested in the thread I linked to had the haze problem too. |
If you read on through that thread Ian posted, the lens didn't have a problem with haze; it was due to something smeared on the camera sensor. After it was cleaned, the lens turned out to be a good performer.
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Ultrapix
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Ultrapix wrote:
May I ask why such interest on this particular lens? |
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
Looking for cheap - for me affordable - options. Any zoom starting at 24 today is more than $ 1000... I can live with f 8 or 11... and lenses from that time were build tough... and... ya, that's about it.
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My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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Ultrapix
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Ultrapix wrote:
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| Looking for cheap - for me affordable - options. Any zoom starting at 24 today is more than $ 1000... I can live with f 8 or 11... and lenses from that time were build tough... and... ya, that's about it. |
Got it, thanks |
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D1N0 wrote:
I got both the Tamron adaptall II SP 24-48 1:3.5-3.8 13A and the SMC Pentax-A 24-50mm 1:4 for cheap. Not on eBay though.
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| ... Any zoom starting at 24 today is more than $ 1000 ... |
No, not really. I recently got a like-new Sony Zeiss ZA 2.8/24.70mm II (thus the newest version) for CHF 370.-- / USD 405.--. Not from ebay, though, but from the local photo store here. And on top of that there was, for free, an aditional defective ZA 2.8/24-70mm I which I later on did repair successfully (http://www.artaphot.ch/repair-stuff/598-sony-zeiss-vario-sonnar-2-8-24-70mm-za). So two ZA 2.8/24-70mm lenses for USD 400.--, plus a little work ...
I have another 2.8/24-70mm with a blocked zoom ring here (probably a loose screw as well). I got it for free as well: It's a Canon EF 2.8/24-70mm I.
The very same store mentioned above still has a "like new" Sony Zeiss FE 4/24-70mm ZA for CHF 395.--, and a "like new" Nikkor Z 4/24-70mm S for CHF 540.-- ...
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| Looking for cheap - for me affordable - options. Any zoom starting at 24 today is more than $ 1000... I can live with f 8 or 11... and lenses from that time were build tough... and... ya, that's about it. |
325€ second hand zeiss fe 24-70 around here ,it's no very well praised ,I've been using the kit 28-70 couple of times ,but not very happy with it. Wonder how bad/good is the 24-70 ,as many people don't say good things about it |
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325€ second hand zeiss fe 24-70 around here ,it's no very well praised ,I've been using the kit 28-70 couple of times ,but not very happy with it. Wonder how bad/good is the 24-70 ,as many people don't say good things about it |
Mid-range zooms, and especially the fast ones, are notoriously difficult to compute: On the wide end, one would prefer a "retrofocus" (negative group in front), at the long end a tele construction would be better (positive group in front). The AF Nikkor 2.8/35-70mm, for instance, is really bad wide open, much worse than the earlier Nikkor AiS 3.5/35-70mm.
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bp_reid wrote:
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| Phalbert wrote: |
| Looking for cheap - for me affordable - options. Any zoom starting at 24 today is more than $ 1000... I can live with f 8 or 11... and lenses from that time were build tough... and... ya, that's about it. |
325€ second hand zeiss fe 24-70 around here ,it's no very well praised ,I've been using the kit 28-70 couple of times ,but not very happy with it. Wonder how bad/good is the 24-70 ,as many people don't say good things about it |
Honestly it's not terrible in use, as opposed to in testing. Read Kirk Tuck's comments here https://visualsciencelab.blogspot.com/2016/12/a-modest-and-short-list-of-three-most.html.
However there are better lenses in the class - Everything suggests the FE 24-105/4 is a better lens. Personally, I used an adapted copy of Canon's excellent EF 24-70 f/4L which proved better all round on my A7r and was a factor in my partial return to Canon DSLRs back in 2017. |
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Pancolart wrote:
Bumping old thread. Found this Tokina in mint and internally clean condition. It is made beautifully. Does it shows Tokina at some point integrated Kobori into company?
It is pity photos made with hazed sensor dominate the web. BTW lens was not distributed as Vivitar, but Soligor C/D: https://lens-club.ru/lenses/item/c_9627.html
Samples to follow when weather improves.
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Just make sure they're not just wide open samples.
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Indeed the thought had crossed my mind haha. Agreed.
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
Hi Pancolart.
Let us know what you think of that lens please.
Have a look here:
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Kobori#:~:text=Kobori%20Manufacturing%20Company%2C%20Ltd.%20is,optical%20equipment%20and%20camera%20lenses.
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🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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Pancolart wrote:
Will do . Know about Kobori quite well, check this: http://forum.mflenses.com/soligor-9-thy-name-shall-any-more-be-called-kiron-but-kobori-t54945.html
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juanpabloalvarez wrote:
Hello everyone, maybe you are no longer interested in this topic. I recently bought an analog camera, with its respective lens, but it also came with this Tokina 24-70mm 3.5 - 4.8 lens as an extra, it is totally impeccable. I'm going to get an adapter so I can try it with my Sony a7IV. If anyone is interested, let me know. I am Juan from Argentina.
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
Hi Juan. Nice find. As you know, I've been looking for one of these and I 'd still be interested, but which mount is yours? Thanks.
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🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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