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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Very similar to Tokina but not a Tokina I think, because there is a well known and indisputable Tokina 200/4.5 of a very different design, with a tripod mount. Nittoh(Komine), Kawakami(Kawanon) and Tokyo Koki(Tokina) lenses of the time were similar in general but are not the same. But the Tokina line at least is well understood because all the range has been spotted with the Tokina or Minetar trademarks. These were house brands of Tokyo Koki.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:12 pm Post subject: Is the manufacturer of Soligor No. 5¤¤¤¤¤¤ still unknown? |
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mesinik wrote:
Hi, I found a Soligor No. 5¤¤¤¤¤¤ in my stuff and somewhere was written down, it's manufacturer is still unknown...
so, just in case somebody finds it interesting:
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| Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Is the manufacturer of Soligor No. 5¤¤¤¤¤¤ still unknown |
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mesinik wrote:
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Hi, I found a Soligor No. 5¤¤¤¤¤¤ in my stuff and somewhere was written down, it's manufacturer is still unknown...
so, just in case somebody finds it interesting: |
6 blades, looks and works excellent, pretty well buit in my opinion |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject: More Soligors |
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Phalbert wrote:
This might help with the numbers... I do have 135/3,5 H674XXX; 180/3,5 86411XXX; 200/2,8 C/D 1740XXX; 200/4,5 H66XXX; 400/6,3 9697XXX; 500/8 mirror 570XXX; 28-80/3,5-4,5 C/D 380382XXX; 35-140/3,5 38006XXX; 75-250/4,5 380012XXX; 100-300/5 C/D 17501XXX and stolen in 2007 I had my favorite, the 135/2 C/D 17506600 (remember that one when you buy). I haven't seen any posting of the 200/2,8 in this thread. Is this lens less common? Not surprisingly it is not so sharp wide open, but usable. It improves all the way (good enough by F4) but best is only between 8 and 11. There is also the 24-45 which I don't have (381122XXX), the fast 35-70/2,5-3,5 97901XXXX and the 130-650/4,5-7,5.
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carliniphoto wrote:
I have an Soligor 85-300mm f/5 in an Olympus mount..
It looks almost unused...Not sure who actually manufactured this?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:21 am Post subject: Re: More Soligors |
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Nordentro wrote:
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| This might help with the numbers... I do have 135/3,5 H674XXX; 180/3,5 86411XXX; 200/2,8 C/D 1740XXX; 200/4,5 H66XXX; 400/6,3 9697XXX; 500/8 mirror 570XXX; 28-80/3,5-4,5 C/D 380382XXX; 35-140/3,5 38006XXX; 75-250/4,5 380012XXX; 100-300/5 C/D 17501XXX and stolen in 2007 I had my favorite, the 135/2 C/D 17506600 (remember that one when you buy). I haven't seen any posting of the 200/2,8 in this thread. Is this lens less common? Not surprisingly it is not so sharp wide open, but usable. It improves all the way (good enough by F4) but best is only between 8 and 11. There is also the 24-45 which I don't have (381122XXX), the fast 35-70/2,5-3,5 97901XXXX and the 130-650/4,5-7,5. |
I have many of the C/D lenses which are my favorites together with the old Tamron Soligors with T- serials
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tromboads wrote:
Droooool soligor porn.
Hasn't everyone had one at some stage?
This was the first M42 lens I ever had.
It was given to me with a Pentax K1000, along with an M 50mm f2
Probably should have just stopped collecting then and there. Between the two of them they would have served me very well photographically speaking 
I remember thinking at the time it was a hunk of ancient junk because of the agricultural screw mount. Shame on me.
Some where in there I became a brand snob and the humble Soligar was just not cool enough. Shame really. Its plenty useable I suppose the H in this one dictates it was mad by Hanimar?
i must force it out of it's branded case for the weekend.. |
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guardian
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
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I suppose the H in this one dictates it was made by Hanimar?
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My guess would be Tokina. It's a beautiful lens! |
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Its a Tokina, the first auto lens series.
This one is a fixed mount version, the same lens was also sold as a Soligor with T4 interchangeable mount.
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
David Lloyd game me one of those 135s, very well made but optically, utter junk, neither of us could get a decent pic out of it. Might just have been an unlucky bad copy.
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luisalegria wrote:
Copy variation most certainly.
Mine works very well.
Not better than most other 135/3.5's, as I am not equipped to distinguish between them, but it is certainly not difficult to get a good picture out of this one.
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=10182&highlight=%2Bsoligor&sid=d3bed3512c14237605dd7f6499cef781
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tromboads wrote:
I agree. f3.5 on a K10d Sharp enough for the trees
Click!. And an unmodified honest modest crop of questionable focus |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:13 pm Post subject: soligor 400 f6.3; 969xxxx = kino? |
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marcusBMG wrote:
Just acquired this one, in original box. Classic looking t-mount soligor with the chrome ears. serial 969xx indicates Kino, 1969 according to the formula. 67mm filter, looks exactly like the one on the scanned brochure posted by braddanman. Box shows typical 4 elements/2 groups formula.
EDIT same as ManualFocusG's 400mm - Kino, so nothing new here...
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
My Soligor 400mm f6.3 has n° 1701170.
In which year was it made ?
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marcusBMG
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marcusBMG wrote:
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My Soligor 400mm f6.3 has n° 1701170.
In which year was it made ? |
according to what I've read here: 1970. 1 = tokina, x70.. = 1970.
Can you post pics of your lens, I am trying to update the lens entry on Pentax Forums and would be interested to see which version yours is.
EDIT belay that you already have
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I'm fairly sure all the H serial lenses were Tokinas now 
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:17 pm Post subject: 400mm 6.3 specs |
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marcusBMG wrote:
I'm putting together this info on the main variants of the soligor 400mm 6.3. Thats the long preset tokina version, the shorter kino version, tokina T4 mount version, sun M42 version. Help in filling the blanks appreciated.
Pics: versions 1. 3, 4 in order below. I have the kino version so all set there.
(table formatted for pentax forums bb code - doesn't work here sorry but its still legible)
[table]Version: |Tokina (Hxx..)|Kino (9xx..) | Tokina Tele-Auto (1xx..)* | Sun Auto (3xx..)
Optics:| 4 elements/3 groups. |4 elements/2 groups | 4 elements/3 groups | 4 elements/3 groups
Filter:| 72mm|67mm|72mm | 67mm
Aperture:| 2 ring preset. | 2 ring preset | one ring/A-M switch | one ring/A-M switch
Iris:| 13 blade. | 13 blade| ?| ? |
Focus:| ~ 360 rotation | ~360 rotation.| | |
Mount: |T-mount | T-mount | T4/fixed mount |M42
CFD:| ~ 8m/22'|6.5m/22' |7m/23' | ?
Length:| ~ 38cm/15".|~ 31cm/12.2" | ~30cm/11.75" | ?
Weight:| ~ ? |~ 960g/34oz |~ 1kg/35oz | ? [/table]
*this version also apparently in fixed mount see
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141248268560?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649
Olivier has posted pic of tokina made tele-auto T4 mount below, this is the Sun made version...
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| I am trying to update the lens entry on Pentax Forums and would be interested to see which version yours is. |
Can you post the link to the page at Pentax Forums?
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Olivier wrote:
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My Soligor 400mm f6.3 has n° 1701170.
In which year was it made ? |
according to what I've read here: 1970. 1 = tokina, x70.. = 1970.
Can you post pics of your lens, I am trying to update the lens entry on Pentax Forums and would be interested to see which version yours is.
EDIT belay that you already have |
Yes I already posted a picture, but here it is again 
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:11 pm Post subject: This is the page I intend to contribute updated info and des |
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marcusBMG wrote:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/soligor-400mm-f6-3.html
The current spec is actually for tokina made vivitar 400.5.6!
I snagged the pics of the Sun version from an old ebay ad; this page
http://www.apotelyt.com/photo-lens/soligor-400mm-63
was also informative
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:40 pm Post subject: soligor 400mm 6.3 # 8xxxxx |
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marcusBMG wrote:
I msged the seller of this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111327310718?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649
the serial is 8780187. looks like my Kino version 969xxx but black not chrome f ring and no ears. Kino??
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Lloydy wrote:
I've had a couple of those, probably both Kino / Kiron - 970**** + 969**** serial numbers. The best information says the first number is the manufacturer - 9 being Kino.
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marcusBMG wrote:
So 8xxxx... = Kino too?
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Lloydy wrote:
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| So 8xxxx... = Kino too? |
The jury is still out on 8****** serial numbers. The best list of numbers is in the Soligor 28mm thread, and I don't think the 8's are designated yet. But, that 400 you've shown looks identical to the two I've had - I still have one - which I believe to be Kino / Kiron.
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marcusBMG wrote:
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| But, that 400 you've shown looks identical to the two I've had - I still have one - which I believe to be Kino / Kiron. |
I agree with the similarity. Suggests at least some 8xxx = kino.
Test pics with mine here:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/soligor-400mm-f6-3.html
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