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 Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 12:01 pm Post subject: Super MultiC Takumar 85mm 1.8 vs. Konica Hexanon AR 85mm 1.8 |
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quidam wrote:
Which is the best? Any idea? |
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fermy wrote:
The one that is cheaper and for sale
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woodrim wrote:
I can speak on the Hexanon only. I find it quite sharp and very usable at full aperture, but lacking in bokeh quality. If you are very careful and manage your background, it can be okay. Of the following, I believe the first was taken at f/1.8; the others just to demonstrate.
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Attila wrote:
They are pretty much same , I had auto, smc, super Takumar in M42 and still have SMC Pentax K and Konica EE and AE .
Honestly you can't go wrong even with Vivitar 85mm...
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woodrim wrote:
I'll add to Attila's list. I'm thinking you have a mirrorless camera? Given the cost of the Hexanon, and the Takumar not being far behind, there are other less costly options - in addition to Attila's suggestions, I'd highly recommend the Vivitar Series 1 90/2.3 which is a razor even at full aperture. The actual focal length is 87mm. The Series 1 lenses were prone to CA, but with the CA controls of my NEX, it is only evident in extreme conditions. It too has been an expensive lens, but the non-M42 mount versions typically went cheaper... but maybe now with mirrorless they've gone up. On the less expensive side is the Jupiter-9 which I'm surprised Attila didn't mention. You may have to buy a few before getting a good one.
With my recent J-9 purchase I've been considering a comparison with my other lenses in that range which would include two J-9s, one M39 and one RF; the Series 1; Hexanon; and maybe Meyer Plimotar. I could include the Cyclop, although it is not a reasonable substitute for the others.
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quidam wrote:
Very nice shots you got there. I own the SMC Takumar 1.8/85 and was wondering if the Hexanon would be complementary.
I also have the J9, but I don't use it often for lack of sharpness.
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Aanything wrote:
having already two very good lenses in that focal length, I wouldn't spend money on another one which, even if slightly different in render, will not represent a great leap in quality.
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hifisapi wrote:
It should be noted that the smc takumar 85mm f1.8 is a superior 6 element lens while the smc takumar 85mm F1.9
is an inferior 5 element lens. The difference is mainly in close up range performance.
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woodrim wrote:
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It should be noted that the smc takumar 85mm f1.8 is a superior 6 element lens while the smc takumar 85mm F1.9
is an inferior 5 element lens. The difference is mainly in close up range performance. |
Superior and has an additional element, or superior because it has an additional element?
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hifisapi wrote:
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It should be noted that the smc takumar 85mm f1.8 is a superior 6 element lens while the smc takumar 85mm F1.9
is an inferior 5 element lens. The difference is mainly in close up range performance. |
Superior and has an additional element, or superior because it has an additional element? |
Superior and it happens to have an additional lens...
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I think Attila meant the Vivitar 85/1.8 preset, which is great fun (but needs a contrast boost in pp):
Watercress 1945 22 by <<BackToTheFuture>>, on Flickr
Edit: Or even the Samyang 85/1.4 which also appears as a Vivitar, apparently!
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Attila wrote:
Yes I thought this, thank you Graham!
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Funny, I don't think of my ST 85/1.9 as being inferior... 
Here's are some wide open test I did a while ago, I don't use it much right now as I've been trying out other lenses, and with the hostes limits I purged everything else, but it is a beautiful chunk of glass.
Another option is the S-M-C 105/2.8 it's cheaper, smaller, but its IQ is very good, it's very under rated.
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visualopsins wrote:
Super 85/1.8 and S-M-C 85/1.9 are definitely not inferior to S-M-C and SMC 85/1.8! Softer wide open, yes.
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DR.JUAN wrote:
Well. The 85 hexanon has low contrast. The zoom 75/150 f/45 hexanon has more contrast and is a very good lens.
But in 70/90 range, almost all are good.
vivitar 1,8? Heavy, low contrast, not very sharp, less than normal saturated colors, swirl boket. It,s in another league. Needs a lot of pp. |
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hifisapi wrote:
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Super 85/1.8 and S-M-C 85/1.9 are definitely not inferior to S-M-C and SMC 85/1.8! Softer wide open, yes. |
They are inferior partially because they are softer wide open. The 85 smc f1.8 is an outstanding optic.
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kuuan wrote:
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Super 85/1.8 and S-M-C 85/1.9 are definitely not inferior to S-M-C and SMC 85/1.8! Softer wide open, yes. |
They are inferior partially because they are softer wide open. The 85 smc f1.8 is an outstanding optic. |
softer wide open true, but inferior? I like my Super Tak 1.9/85 very much, outstanding oof rendering, my S-M-C 1.8/85 is sharper wide open but admittedly I have not used it much
an earlier thread with samples taken with the Super Takumar f1.9/85 on Pentax K-x, mostly wide open http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=30134
my latest wide open pic taken a few days ago on NEX5N:
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Between the Hexanon and S-M-C Takumar 85mm f/1.8 lenses, I slightly prefer the Takumar.
1. MFD of the Hexanon is 1m, while the Takumar is 0.85m;
2. You can easily get a helicoid m42 to NEX adapter, that allows you focus even closer, to semi-macro range;
3. The Takumar has 8 aperture blades, while the Hexanon only has 6;
 Iris DSC03378 by Brian Zhou, on Flickr
Iris DSC03396 by Brian Zhou, on Flickr
Distance DSC03387 by Brian Zhou, on Flickr
Distance DSC03415 by Brian Zhou, on Flickr
A few more samples in the same Flickr album.
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I suspect that none of them measures up to the Tamron 90mm f/2.5 macro. Or the Bokina, either -- far as that goes. Just sayin'. Although I wouldn't mind owning an SMC Tak 85/1.8. 
Tamron 90mm f/2.5 macro, Canon XS DSLR @ ISO 100
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However, in this case, a lower measurement indicate something the higher-measuring cannot achieve, i.e., more capabilities, a wider range of usage. Other than that long helical incorporation is very convenient.
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| However, in this case, a lower measurement indicate something the higher-measuring cannot achieve, i.e., more capabilities, a wider range of usage. Other than that long helical incorporation is very convenient. |
I purposely included that last shot of a rose, shot with the Tamron 90 wide open, to show that soft images can be achieved with that lens as well. Well, sorta soft. Much of that rose is in sharp focus, but much of it isn't also. And the background is totally blown. So it ends up looking like it was shot with, say, a Nikkor 105/2.5, instead of a macro 90/2.5.
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| in addition to Attila's suggestions, I'd highly recommend the Vivitar Series 1 90/2.3 which is a razor even at full aperture. The actual focal length is 87mm. |
Are you referring to the VS1 90/2.5 Macro (the VS1 "Bokina")?
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woodrim wrote:
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| in addition to Attila's suggestions, I'd highly recommend the Vivitar Series 1 90/2.3 which is a razor even at full aperture. The actual focal length is 87mm. |
Are you referring to the VS1 90/2.5 Macro (the VS1 "Bokina")? |
Yes I was. Sorry that I confused the aperture with the f/2.3 135mm.
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calvin83 wrote:
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| in addition to Attila's suggestions, I'd highly recommend the Vivitar Series 1 90/2.3 which is a razor even at full aperture. The actual focal length is 87mm. |
Are you referring to the VS1 90/2.5 Macro (the VS1 "Bokina")? |
Yes I was. Sorry that I confused the aperture with the f/2.3 135mm.
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I suspect that none of them measures up to the Tamron 90mm f/2.5 macro. Or the Bokina, either -- far as that goes. Just sayin'. Although I wouldn't mind owning an SMC Tak 85/1.8.
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The OP was asking 85mm f/1.8 here. I have the Tamron and Tokina too. But in non-macro situations especially for portrait, there're definitely advantages of the 85mm f/1.8. You don't have to do macro to get good bokeh. The focus throw is also more suited for general photography.
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