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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 5999 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:36 am Post subject: "Standard" Lenses - 40mm - 60mm - Must Haves |
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Oldhand wrote:
This is an unusual topic, but members of this forum are well qualified to answer it.
In the range of standard 35mm film lenses that are useful on DSLR cameras - around focal lengths between say 40mm and 60mm (thanks Calvin)- what is/are your must have lens/es and why.
I am most interested in the reason(s) that you include this/these lens(es) in the list.
Thank you in advance for your contribution
OH
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:14 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I suggest expand the range to 40mm to 60mm to include some of the shorter FL standard lenses and macros.
In fact, the diagonal of 35mm film is about 43mm. Pentax do made a 43mm lens which is a 'true' standard lens. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3666 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
There are many good lenses to use on DSLR's
Contax C/Y 50/1.4 Zeissy
Topcor 58/1.4(1.8 ) Sharp wide open & nice bokeh.
Rokkor 58/1.2 Bokeh & color
Leica R Sumilux 50/1.4 nuff said.
Yashica ML 50/2 color color color, and cheap.
There are certainly others _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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timo832000
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 544 Location: Germany / Cologne
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:19 am Post subject: |
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timo832000 wrote:
My personal favorites:
#1 SMC Pentax M 1.7/50 cheap, well build and very sharp (even wide open)
#2 SMC Pentax 1.8/55 also cheap well build, sharp, nice bokeh
#3 Leitz Summicron-R 50 (1st version) build to last forever, sharp & contrasty, beautyful color and tone rendering
As you can see I prefer the medium fast 50s but there are so much other fine 50s. Just try them.
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BurstMox
Joined: 04 Dec 2011 Posts: 2013 Location: France
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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BurstMox wrote:
Be carefull, big surprise :
Helios 44 . enough fast, very cheap, good quality, bit soft wide open, sharp in other stops, very good built quality .
But I'm not sure it's an uncommon topik here (or maybe it was ironical?). I think there is somewhere at least one topik about your best standard (~50mm) lens _________________ Pierre
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enzodm
Joined: 11 Sep 2010 Posts: 350 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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enzodm wrote:
Let me interpret "must have" not as my favorites, but those you have at least to try and have in your collector cabinet. Not rare legends: for me must haves should be also possible to have, sort of beginners kit.
So:
- I agree on Helios 44: cheap, sharp.
- Tessar 50/2.8, Zeiss for cheap (maybe the only one), easy to find, better if zebra so you have a classic look in front of your digital.
- Industar 50/3.5: again cheap, pancake, sharp, unpractical
- One 55/1.4 told as been produced by Tomioka. A number of brands available, and my Rikenon copy is really nice in most aspects.
- One Pentax 50mm, which I do not yet have even if easily found. I never bought a K adapter...
The others are "want have" _________________
Canon 60D, Tamron 17-50VC, Canon 55-250IS, Sigma 50-150/2.8 plus:
Wide: Mir 20/3.5, Kenlock 24/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Yashikor 35/2.8, Mir 37/2.8
Fifties: Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Pentacon 50/1.8, Zenitar 50/1.9, Leica Summicron 50/2, CZJ Pancolar 50/2, CZJ Tessar 50/2.8, Industar 50/3.5 , Rikenon 55/1.4, Petri 55/1.8, Helios 58/2
In the middle: Cyclop 85/1.5, Nikon 100/2.8
135s: Tamron 135/2.5, CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5, Jupiter 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar 135/4, Tamron Twin Tele 135-225
Tele: Soligor 200/2.8, Pentax Super Takumar 200/4, Hanimex 400/6.3, Makinon 500/8
Various: Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 135/4.5, Tominon 105/4.5, Vest Pocket Kodak meniscus, Wray Supar 2"/4.5
Sony Nex 6 plus:
Industar 69 28/2.8, Fujian 35/1.7, Rokkor 50/1.4, Jupiter 50/2, Cosmicar 50/2.8, Industar-22 50/3.5, Leitz Elmar 90/4, Canon Serenar 100/4
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
In this focal length may even hard to say which one is not, usually all okay, some of them more than others, you will get hundreds different idea , due usually people love them and suggest what they have so take any what is fit into your budget. _________________ -------------------------------
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ariban
Joined: 30 Apr 2012 Posts: 159 Location: Kolkata, India
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:14 pm Post subject: must haves |
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ariban wrote:
I have always loved the 50mm. and by extension lenses around that focal length. Even on APS-C a fast 50 is a workhorse- subject isolation and sharpness.
I have a few of them,
1.The smc P-M 50/1.4 - not the easiest to shoot. Quite dreamy wide open. But sharpens up when stopped down and a fine bokeh
2. The smc P-FA 50/1.7- fast as a thief, beautiful sharpness and fantastic rendition of tones. A 6 bladed aperture- the bokeh grows on you.
3. The Takumar 55/1.8 - have 2 of them - an Auto Tak and a a SMC Tak. Not easy to differentiate between them but despite their age- as good as any, except for the bokeh fringing at times.
4. The CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 - Not the sharpest kid on the block but has a nice bokeh and handles colours and tones well
5. The CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8. Mine is actually my Dad's 1970 it was purchased. The aperture ring is a bait loose now but it is what other 50mms should, ought and must aspire to. Fantastic wide open and things only get better on stopping down. Very little fringing and a bokeh that I love.
6. The smc A 50/2 - well unless stopped down it is less than competent.
7. My latest is the dmc P FA 43mm f1.9 Limited. Always thought it was a glorified 50mm. It is sharp make no mistake and handles tones like a champion. The bokeh however could be better (not like the Pancolar nor the 50/1.4). Its construction? Well hard to beat this....
The 43 is new to me. I will pick up the FA 50mm/1.7 anytime for quick work and the Pancolar when I have time. I guess other manufacturers make/ made good 50s too. But a 1964 Nikon 50/1.4 was not impressive to me. The later 50/1.8 is better (1.8 lenses are easier to handle).
The MUST HAVE crown would be given by me to the Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 50mm f1.8
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2187 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
Attila wrote: |
In this focal length may even hard to say which one is not, usually all okay, some of them more than others, you will get hundreds different idea , due usually people love them and suggest what they have so take any what is fit into your budget. |
+1
Most 50's from known makers are at least good, so it's really up to personal taste and use needed.
I'd add to the list the zenitar M 1.7/50, which would probably be my choice if I were forced to keep only one, and the sonnar 1.5/50. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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DigiChromeEd
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Posts: 3460 Location: Northern Ireland
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
Attila wrote: |
In this focal length may even hard to say which one is not, usually all okay, some of them more than others, you will get hundreds different idea , due usually people love them and suggest what they have so take any what is fit into your budget. |
+1
I'd like to add the Konica Hexanon AR 1.7/50 - a superb lens! _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 960 Location: Austin
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
The preset tessar 2.8/50 for it's sparkly boke' and round highlights at all apertures.
The pancolar 2/50 for its sharpness and incredibly smooth rendering.
The Zeiss Icarex Ultron 1.8/50 for its sharpness, unique design and uniquely stylish look.
Less special, but worth having:
Yashinon 2/50 for its subtle but unique rendering and corner to corner performance wide open.
Meritar 2.9/50 for its classic triplet rendering.
Mamiya Sekor 2.8/50 - an uncommon (but not rare) Japanese tessar type with nice performance.
Schacht Travelon 1.8/50 - an uncommon lens with a peculiar sharpness, and rendering, you have to see the results to understand.
Biotar 2/58 - sparkles and swirls, a classic.
There are plenty more that are good. But I think the above are special for some reason or another. |
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eddieitman
Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 1246 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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eddieitman wrote:
OK here goes my List
Number 1 Zenitar 50mm F1.7 Pure Magic just renders so well even wide open
Number 2 Chinon 55mm F1.7 For it's Unique Monet style painting
Number 3 Auto Takumar F2.2 the 1st great rendering 3d almost and warm
Number 4 Minolta MD 50mm F1.4 Just a great lens color, sharpness etc
Number 5 Konica 58mm F1.4 Another great lens, color, and sharpness wide open and 3d pop
Number 6 Pancolar 50mm F1.8 Great Lens lovely tones and rendering with zeiss pop
Number 7 Pentax 50mm F1.7 great contrast and sharp wide open
Number 8 Yashica ML 50mm F1.7 every bit as good as the zeiss, almost but 1/5th the price
Number 9 Helios 44 everybody must own this, its great for the money
But if i can only have one the Zenitar _________________ My web site www.digital-darkroom.weebly.com
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norland
Joined: 10 Aug 2013 Posts: 165
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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norland wrote:
Certainly would not want to be without the Helios 44-2 -- totally reliable, sharp and good colours.
That said, once a lens hood arrives for a recently purchased Industar 50mm, its tiny size will probably make it an ever-present backup in the "going places" camera bag (camera's default lens is a Sony 18-135).
But if you allow for the APSC's 1.5x crop factor, there's an unexpected contender ... a little Soligor 35mm f2.8 pre-set (serial number 2710262), which despite not being multi-coated has been producing image quality well beyond expectation.
With that crop criteria applied, Tokina 28mm f2.8 RMC could also stake a claim, but not used it enough yet to be sure. |
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barryreid
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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barryreid wrote:
For me, there are a couple...
Contax C/Y 50mm 1.7, the colour rendition is amazing, bokeh a bit harsh tho'
Pentax' 50mm 1.4 SMC-M is an all round nice lens with good bokeh.
And finally, an off the wall selection, the Canon TS-E 45mm which pretty sharp and has such creative potential. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
barryreid wrote: |
For me, there are a couple...
Contax C/Y 50mm 1.7, the colour rendition is amazing, bokeh a bit harsh tho'
Pentax' 50mm 1.4 SMC-M is an all round nice lens with good bokeh.
And finally, an off the wall selection, the Canon TS-E 45mm which pretty sharp and has such creative potential. |
I shoot first time with 1.7 Planar today, damn good! _________________ -------------------------------
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3666 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
eddieitman wrote: |
OK here goes my List
Number 1 Zenitar 50mm F1.7 Pure Magic just renders so well even wide open
Number 2 Chinon 55mm F1.7 For it's Unique Monet style painting
Number 3 Auto Takumar F2.2 the 1st great rendering 3d almost and warm
Number 4 Minolta MD 50mm F1.4 Just a great lens color, sharpness etc
Number 5 Konica 58mm F1.4 Another great lens, color, and sharpness wide open and 3d pop
Number 6 Pancolar 50mm F1.8 Great Lens lovely tones and rendering with zeiss pop
Number 7 Pentax 50mm F1.7 great contrast and sharp wide open
Number 8 Yashica ML 50mm F1.7 every bit as good as the zeiss, almost but 1/5th the price
Number 9 Helios 44 everybody must own this, its great for the money
But if i can only have one the Zenitar |
I think you meant Konica 57mm F1.4 _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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eddieitman
Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 1246 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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eddieitman wrote:
/My bad yes 57mm so many damn lenses i lose track lol _________________ My web site www.digital-darkroom.weebly.com
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 5999 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
So glad that folks are realising that this is not another "what is the best standard lens" type of thread.
Some lenses have a quality about them that endears them to us for one reason or another.
It is this characteristic that makes them a must have
A very interesting list
OH |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
The macro-takumar 4/50 such a nice lens or any specialist macro lens, they open up a whole new world,and they are just a useful lens to have.I really have to thank the guys on this forum for encouraging me to buy it,many years ago now _________________ Moira, Moderator
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Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
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Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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eddieitman
Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 1246 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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eddieitman wrote:
Just to demonstrate the magic in the Zenitar here is a pic i shot wide open by accident (did not notice the lens had gone to auto from manual) but for wide open it captures light in a magical way. _________________ My web site www.digital-darkroom.weebly.com
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7787 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
OMG......I've just looked down my updated list and counted 49 lenses in that range! Some are lenses I have a few of, the common 50's that came with the cameras. So, after much thought, I think these are my favourites.
For sharpness, the Rollei Planar 50 / 1.8. Closely followed by the Rokkor 50 / 1.4
For colour, the Rokkor 50 / 1.4 or the Zuiko 50 / 1.4 - which is also a delight to use.
Best all rounder? the Rokkor wins, with the Zuiko, Canon 1.8 and Pentax 1.7 fighting for a place in the camera bag.
But....they also fight with the Chinon 50 / 1.7 which surprises and pleases me when I use it, and any of the Helios which are never far away from the camera bag.
Rokkor 45 / 2 ? mmmm, I like it a lot but it frustrates me. I get some excellent results from it, and some rubbish. I think it's me though, not the lens.
If I'm feeling like a challenge, then I use the CZJ Tessar. I love the center sharpness and fall off towards the edges. But I have to remember to think about that as I use it.
I like the Industar as well, it has a special quality about it.
I can't get on with the Fujinon 55 / 2.2, there is sharpness, there are nice colours. I just can't get consistency from it. Pretty much the same with my Pentacon's - and I love the Pentacon 30 _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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eeec
Joined: 16 Jun 2013 Posts: 45 Location: Edmonton, Canada
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Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:29 am Post subject: |
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eeec wrote:
So many lovely 50s
The one I would never let go of is the Canon FD 50mm f/1.4 - such a classic rendering with perfect colours that you know it came from a legacy lens, but it's all so smooth and professional that it matches anything out there from any era.
The other one everyone should own somewhere in their kit would be the Helios 44-3. Stuffed with charm and unique character. The preset aperture is a joy to use and makes me wonder why companies ever stopped making such lenses.
Maybe I'd also make mention of the Volna-9. Stopped down a little bit and you get the unique bokeh stars... it's a lovely macro performer. |
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mzzyhmd
Joined: 01 Jul 2013 Posts: 99 Location: Florida
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Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:37 am Post subject: |
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mzzyhmd wrote:
From my very little experience I'd suggest Pancolar 50/1.8. Super duper lens IMHO
_________________ Nex 6: Sony 16/2.8|| Vivitar Komine 24/2|| Sigma 30/2.8|| Rokinon 35/1.4|| Jupiter 8||Helios 53/1.8|| Minolta Rokkor PF 55/1.7|| CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8||Steinheil 85/2.8||Leica Elmar 90/4||Meyer Orestor 135/2.8||Tair 133/2.8 |
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miran
Joined: 01 Aug 2012 Posts: 1364 Location: Slovenia
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miran wrote:
From my extremely limited experience Minolta Rokkor MD 50mm/1.4 is a very good lens. It's one of my most used lenses, top 3 for sure. _________________ my flickr stream |
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DanielT74
Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Posts: 204
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Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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DanielT74 wrote:
Many great lenses in this range, but for what it's worth, my top five contenders would be
Noct-Nikkor 58/1.2 (very expensive but if you're after a top quality fast glass, it can't be beat)
Leica Summilux-R 50mm E60 (very expensive and probably overpriced due to rarity but damn fine)
Canon FD 55/1.2 Aspherical (fantastically sharp and still reasonable, bokeh could be busy)
Zeiss Macro-Planar 50/2 (pretty damn perfect)
Minolta PG-58/1.2 (bokeh king) |
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