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Sonnar 1.5 6cm , Can I get some info? (Pics Added)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ZEISS (West) actually did make a few prototypes for Sonnars, the 101299 V7 (1951) and V13 (1953), both f1.5/50mm for CONTAX but I haven't found a 60mm or 58mm


PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think it's impossible that a guy in a backyard is able to make optical elements.
A lot of equipment is necessary to do this.
So if this is fake, from which lens could be the glas?


PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It isn't a fake, I'm sure about that, otherwise why would there be a few of them in circulation?


PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
It isn't a fake, I'm sure about that, otherwise why would there be a few of them in circulation?

Caus they were made from parts available at Carl Zeiss Jena plant after WWII destruction by whomever, but don't be considered as Zeiss lenses, except from people believing swastika Leicas for real. Nevertheless they are different from Jupiter lenses upgraded by a "Carl Zeiss Jena" beauty ring. It would be fun to look how many "Zeiss" lenses in the 2.9xx.xxx area still existing, I bet there are millions....


PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lens is travel to me , friend of mine who was born into a 3 generations antique merchant family (he has good connection to all major Hungarian collectors) will show to them , so hopefully we will know more. Lens barrel is not Jupiter or other Russian what I know.


PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
taunusreiter wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
It isn't a fake, I'm sure about that, otherwise why would there be a few of them in circulation?

Caus they were made from parts available at Carl Zeiss Jena plant after WWII destruction


Maybe. However, some of these 60mm's have been taken apart and show a coating of Swiss post-war origin, which would be hard to explain on a lens from the semi-legal Jena cottage industries. Other explanations might be a (aborted) attempt by some Swiss maker at copying the Sonnar after the patents were public domained, or lens parts from a breach of Swiss neutrality reused after the war (many Swiss companies had German ties).


PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Whatever the case, this sure is an interesting lens and it would be great to find out it's true history, let's hope Attila can find out. Would also be great if some sample pics could be made with it.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
While searching for some Helioplan lenses in my collection for another thread, I found another fake Sonnar in my collection.
Here is a side by side comparision of my two Sonnar 1:1,5 6cm. Both behave like 1:2,8 f= ~8cm
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 1:1,5 6cm Nr 2914080
Carl Zeiss Jena Nr.2914099 Sonnar 1:1,5 f=6cm





Klaus


PS: Anyone believing that this hodgepodge was Zeiss-made?


PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you Klaus, certainly they are not looks like made by Zeiss.

Today I got lens from Diwa MANY THANKS!, to try it out and sell it on behalf to him if possible. I did try it out already, I will publish result later and my opinion about it's origin.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice im glad you got it so fast Very Happy
and.. my name is Dima Laughing its short for Dmitry


PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Smoli4 wrote:
Nice im glad you got it so fast Very Happy
and.. my name is Dima Laughing its short for Dmitry


Smile sorry.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
common its nothing Wink


PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
Looks fake to me sadly enough (as well as teh one in kevincamera site), there is no ZEISS mentioned and teh serial number is non exiting in THIELE's books. Military numbering usually is very different from that, but a 6 digit number would be way to low for a coated lens if made by Zeiss (Jena or West)


Lens is on my desk already, it is not marked as Zeiss , just Sonnar engraved on. Lens is high quality lens I did try it out today, uncoated or single coated. Barel looks different from any Russian what I know and bigger too. Precisely made ... all what I know from lens only this now. I am only sure it is not made as fake Carl Zeiss lens, due no Zeiss engraving on it.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://forum.mflenses.com/sonnar-6cm-f1-5-t46018.html

Sample images in Gallery , all are processed on my usual way.
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