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some flowers turned into oil paintings in gimp...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:32 pm    Post subject: some flowers turned into oil paintings in gimp... Reply with quote

shot with the 50mm f1.8 Hexanon

original shot, jpeg from the E-PL2, focus not ideal with only a thin slice in focus


P5283349 by ramcewan, on Flickr

Oil painting filter applied to raw and cropped;


P5283349_oilified by ramcewan, on Flickr

This seems a fun and interesting way to turn a shot with missed focus into an interesting image. All the other major software has similar effects.


PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another pair, this time shot with the jupiter-8

out of camera JPEG

P5263317 by ramcewan, on Flickr


Oil painting version (also boosted saturation) from the raw

P5263317_oil by ramcewan, on Flickr


PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not bad,are you using the free version of gimp?


PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I played with this filter too, gives interesting results especially with landscapes Smile


PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Works well on the 1st image, not sure about the 2nd one, seems oversaturated in some of the pink areas.


PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mo wrote:
Not bad,are you using the free version of gimp?


I thought all versions of gimp were free?

I am using GIMP 2.6 and I think the latest version of Ufraw


PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I put side by side the original photo and the "oil" version, I choose the original photo 100% of the times.
Oily effects always feel like a diminution of the original to me.
Besides, especially the first one is a very good photo.
I can't see the reason to make up a beautiful 18 years old girl
If instead you take a 60 years old woman, I can see a reason for the makeup Wink


PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1

Just looks like cheap digital wankery. Why not learn how to paint?
Laughing


PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kram wrote:


Just looks like cheap digital wankery. Why not learn how to paint?
Laughing


+1.

I think that most photos improve with a few tweaks in PP, but most effect filters are as Kram described. There is no art in one click effects.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramcewan wrote:
mo wrote:
Not bad,are you using the free version of gimp?


I thought all versions of gimp were free?

I am using GIMP 2.6 and I think the latest version of Ufraw


Laughing They probably are. Embarassed I always assume when it comes to software there is a free version then a paid version?


PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kram and skida,

thanks for stopping by and sharing your opinion. If I may;

1. This is not a one-click effect (at least not in GIMP), it takes trial and error tweaking of the settings and what not, to describe it as a "one-click effect" is neither accurate nor informed. It also shows that you have never tried these filters or else you would not speak in such an ignorant fashion of the effort that goes into one of these.

2. Likewise who gave you the gavel and told you to judge what is art? There are those would say that there is no art in taking a photograph with a digital camera, those who would say there is no art in using a film camera, etc. They like you are locked in a box of your own construction looking down upon others and telling them what they do is not art. Please give it a rest, art is creation and your unkind words do not take that away.

3. Ditto the "digital wankery" comment. To some people everything done with a digital camera is "digital wankery", but only those who are unable to see beyond the box they drew for themselves come out and say it.

4. I personally find that there is something interesting in this process in the deconstruction of the digital image into it's colors and shapes. Perhaps you are too busy taking pictures of brick walls and marveling at the sharpness of your lenses to notice a picture is so much more than the rendering of ever finer detail?


PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea how much work went into achieving this effect, be it 1 click or 1000 clicks, but I think the point is irrelevant. The fact remains that a reasonably pleasant picture has not been improved, IMHO quite the opposite. (sorry)
Again, I don't know how much time was spent doing this but there are plenty of 1-click effects on mobile apps which give the same results and none of them will ever win awards.
I don't think Kram and skida were being deliberately rude, neither am I, and surely you would prefer people here to be honest in their opinions rather than lie to you.
Smile


PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SonicScot wrote:
I have no idea how much work went into achieving this effect, be it 1 click or 1000 clicks, but I think the point is irrelevant. The fact remains that a reasonably pleasant picture has not been improved, IMHO quite the opposite. (sorry)


thank you for sharing your opinion in a non demeaning way.

SonicScot wrote:

I don't think Kram and skida were being deliberately rude, neither am I, and surely you would prefer people here to be honest in their opinions rather than lie to you.
Smile


I always want people to be honest. I don't think you are being deliberately rude, however both comments by Kram and Skida were objectively sarcastic and demeaning. Honestly if you don't like something then just say you don't like it, don't call it names
Kram wrote:
cheap digital wankery...
and label it as "non-art"
skida wrote:
...There is no art in one click effects.


My reply was to address these comments directly and question their appropriateness. You'll note I did not include Orio, who also did not care for the effect, in my reply since his post was constructive and positive.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the effect you've achieved in #1 but #2 is too over-saturated for my taste. I've seen landscapes subjected to this sort of treatment and some are very well done resulting in a watercolour effect which I like. (I'd love to be able to paint but I can't - therefore I depend on software to give me the results I want).


PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a paid one? I thought it was 'free as in beer' under the Linux /GNU GPL....


mo wrote:
Not bad,are you using the free version of gimp?


PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No sarcasm was intended in my post and I am sorry that you took it that way. However it was a sincerely expressed opinion. I did try using GIMP a while back but found it not very user friendly - if you get results you like out of that program then you have my respect.

My "one click" comment was based on my experience of effects filters in PS Elements, where I tried something similar with some of my shots.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:08 pm    Post subject: PhotoShop "Fade" Reply with quote

One of the best functions of PhotoShop IMO is the ability to "fade" any applied effect if I feel it's too strong - and often I do. My experience with special effects is that sometimes a smidgen can enhance a finished, posted photo.

I don't know if GIMP has a similar "fade" edit function or not. Smile


PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skida wrote:
No sarcasm was intended in my post and I am sorry that you took it that way. However it was a sincerely expressed opinion. I did try using GIMP a while back but found it not very user friendly - if you get results you like out of that program then you have my respect.

My "one click" comment was based on my experience of effects filters in PS Elements, where I tried something similar with some of my shots.


thanks, sorry if I went off too much.. I have a teenage daughter and sometimes my temper is a bit on edge Embarassed


PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I in turn should apologise for my too brief comment, which was made after seeing similarly treated photos in a certain "lifestyle" retail warehouse on sale for stupid money.

I think the treatment you did works best on number one and the result could be useful as a picture for the wall.