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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was told yesterday by a knowleadgable guy that the Haiou-64 58/5.6 lens was a high resolution one for copying and for police investigation!

Now, here is a very special Topcon lens I picked up many years ago, but never found out what it is for. It looks like a huge microscope objective but 100 times bigger.



PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
A Carl Zeiss Jena Tevidon zoom lens for public security surveillance. It can be used for those small format mirrorless digital cameras. The image with the camera was borrowed from the fleabay. I will show you a Chinese one later.



PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
There are quite a few digital movie cameras, but AFAIK, these still use manual lenses. So these vintage Chinese cine primes can still be used with a proper adaptor. These never used lenses are almost impossible to find these days. I would rate them as R7 items. The 28mm F2 lens almost cover full 35mm frame. Like 1 small
Unlike modern cine primes, these older Zeiss, Cooke copies are compact and light. IMHO, the factory should resume the production of these fine optics.




PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kievuser wrote:
I was told yesterday by a knowleadgable guy that the Haiou-64 58/5.6 lens was a high resolution one for copying and for police investigation!

Now, here is a very special Topcon lens I picked up many years ago, but never found out what it is for. It looks like a huge microscope objective but 100 times bigger.



Beam extender from a laser sytem I would guess. Widens the beam 10X


PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kievuser wrote:
A Carl Zeiss Jena Tevidon zoom lens for public security surveillance. It can be used for those small format mirrorless digital cameras. The image with the camera was borrowed from the fleabay. I will show you a Chinese one later.



I have that one, too but never made much with it, not a zoom guy me is Wink


PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Opticus wrote:
Perkin Elmer 114mm f/0.95 - SN 0071



Xray lens??


PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kievuser wrote:
kds315* wrote:
kievuser wrote:
Some special lenses could also be used for taking photos.
。。。。。。


Well known printer lenses for printing images from negatives (not rare)


Yes， I thought they were removed from those one-hour lab machines.

I know that you own a Zeiss S-Orthoplanar 60/4. I just saw some images shot with this lens, and the owner said that it was sharper than a Rodagon-G, one of the best enlarging lenses. I suspect that the Haiou 64 58/5.6 reduction lens was made for the same applications. I believe the Zeiss S-Orthoplanar must have been a very expensive lens when new?
The images I shot with the Haiou were similar to the Zeiss ones. Laugh 1 I need to buy a better camera to explore the potential of this rare lens.


Yes and the even more rare 50mm and especially the 105mm version, which is incredibly sharp.
See here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157638318121966



Would like to see images done with your Haiou lens!!


PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ouch! Its sharp!
I have to look at some fuzzy pictures now.


PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
luisalegria wrote:
Ouch! Its sharp!
I have to look at some fuzzy pictures now.


It indeed is Luis!! Wink


PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
kievuser wrote:
kds315* wrote:
kievuser wrote:
Some special lenses could also be used for taking photos.
。。。。。。


Well known printer lenses for printing images from negatives (not rare)


Yes， I thought they were removed from those one-hour lab machines.

I know that you own a Zeiss S-Orthoplanar 60/4. I just saw some images shot with this lens, and the owner said that it was sharper than a Rodagon-G, one of the best enlarging lenses. I suspect that the Haiou 64 58/5.6 reduction lens was made for the same applications. I believe the Zeiss S-Orthoplanar must have been a very expensive lens when new?
The images I shot with the Haiou were similar to the Zeiss ones. Laugh 1 I need to buy a better camera to explore the potential of this rare lens.


Yes and the even more rare 50mm and especially the 105mm version, which is incredibly sharp.
See here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157638318121966



Would like to see images done with your Haiou lens!!


I think I need to buy a better camera like Sony A7RII for it, and another Haiou 58/4 lens with a M56 thread mount.

Here is a quote from Zeiss for this type of lenses:

Zeiss S-Orthoplanar 4/60 and Carl Zeiss SBiogon
5,6/40 for prints from 35 mm
originals and Carl Zeiss S-Orthoplanar
5,6/105 for prints from medium format
originals. These optics were originally
developed for the extreme resolution
demands of microdocumentation (beyond
150 line pairs per millimeter) and are, at
magnifications of 10 x to 70 x, far
superior to even the very best enlarging
lenses currently available.
Understanding and using these techniques
will surely give you a better appre
ciation of the extremely high limits which
Carl Zeiss has spent so much effort
designing and manufacturing into their
lenses. More than ever before, extremely.......

You are lucky to own the very top Zeiss lenses in the world! Congrats Like 1 small


PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here is a guy who owns some fine optics, but his opinion is that the Zeiss Orthoplanar 60/4 is the Nr.1.

http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1256594-3-1-1.html


PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
kievuser wrote:
A Carl Zeiss Jena Tevidon zoom lens for public security surveillance. It can be used for those small format mirrorless digital cameras. The image with the camera was borrowed from the fleabay. I will show you a Chinese one later.

.......


I have that one, too but never made much with it, not a zoom guy me is Wink


Someone said that these Tevidon lenses were well corrected for a very broad spectrum,so no need for adjustment for infrared light shooting. It it true?


PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kievuser wrote:
kds315* wrote:
kievuser wrote:
A Carl Zeiss Jena Tevidon zoom lens for public security surveillance. It can be used for those small format mirrorless digital cameras. The image with the camera was borrowed from the fleabay. I will show you a Chinese one later.

.......


I have that one, too but never made much with it, not a zoom guy me is Wink


Someone said that these Tevidon lenses were well corrected for a very broad spectrum,so no need for adjustment for infrared light shooting. It it true?


Yes, from what I know it is indeed true, as those were also used at night with IR (invisible) lights


PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kievuser wrote:
Here is a guy who owns some fine optics, but his opinion is that the Zeiss Orthoplanar 60/4 is the Nr.1.

http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1256594-3-1-1.html


Well, he ONLY has the 60mm S-Ortho, so that makes the comparison "a bit" difficult,
and also takeing photos of bridges and temples (admittely good ones) is not really
a reliable way of testing and copmparing lenses Wink Wink Wink


PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
kievuser wrote:
Here is a guy who owns some fine optics, but his opinion is that the Zeiss Orthoplanar 60/4 is the Nr.1.

http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1256594-3-1-1.html


Well, he ONLY has the 60mm S-Ortho, so that makes the comparison "a bit" difficult,
and also takeing photos of bridges and temples (admittely good ones) is not really
a reliable way of testing and copmparing lenses Wink Wink Wink


You are right. That is not a technically correct way to test lenses. I only get a feel when shooting pictures like these. I heard that enlarging lenses are not good for infinity pictures as they were not designed for that. It seems that the S-Otho performed very well. My Haiou-64 58/5.6 also did well at infinity.

There is a rare Haiou 75/4.5 lens that is engraved 'photographic lens' on the barrel so it is not an enlarging lens. A guy took some amazingly sharp macro images with this lens on a Sony Nex camera. It could also be one of the crimininal investigation lenses like that Haiou 58/5.6?
The spider images was borrowed from the guy. Thanks.





PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
kievuser wrote:
kds315* wrote:
kievuser wrote:
A Carl Zeiss Jena Tevidon zoom lens for public security surveillance. It can be used for those small format mirrorless digital cameras. The image with the camera was borrowed from the fleabay. I will show you a Chinese one later.

.......


I have that one, too but never made much with it, not a zoom guy me is Wink


Someone said that these Tevidon lenses were well corrected for a very broad spectrum,so no need for adjustment for infrared light shooting. It it true?


Yes, from what I know it is indeed true, as those were also used at night with IR (invisible) lights


Here is a Chinese version of a 15-90/2.4 lens. I don't know if it is also corrected for IR lights. I think it used some rare earth elements as the images looks yellowish. The lens was made in 1979.



PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
They could have used thoriorated glass which ends to browning.

The macro lens looks very good!


PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
There are still quite a few interesting and rare vintage Chinese lenses to be found.

Here are some images. These will be on my want list. I will be interested to find our how good the Haiou planar 90/3.5 is. the Haiou 28mm F2 lens is similar to my Haiou 58/5.6, but seems even rarer. The Haiou 64 58/2 is a CRT lens like my Haiou-71 50mm F1.4, but more common.



PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
A couple of almost impossible to find rare Chinese lenses,. They are not mine. I borrowed the images just FYI. These are R8 items IMO. There are only 10 Contax S inspired cameras made in 1959, and I don't know how many of those 45/1.5 cine primes were made. The sample images of the 45/1.5 were similar to that of Zeiss, or Cooke ones.

http://www.soupis.com/thread-126987-1-2.html




PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
A owner of the Haiou 28mm F2 copying lens posted some images. They are similar to that of high quality German, or Japanese lenses.

http://www.soupis.com/thread-132901-5-1.html


PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kievuser wrote:
A owner of the Haiou 28mm F2 copying lens posted some images. They are similar to that of high quality German, or Japanese lenses.

http://www.soupis.com/thread-132901-5-1.html


Looks good except for those awful halos around people in the bokeh region.


PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Teemō wrote:
kievuser wrote:
A owner of the Haiou 28mm F2 copying lens posted some images. They are similar to that of high quality German, or Japanese lenses.

http://www.soupis.com/thread-132901-5-1.html


Looks good except for those awful halos around people in the bokeh region.


Agree! Like 1 small Like 1 small Like 1 small


PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Teemō wrote:
kievuser wrote:
A owner of the Haiou 28mm F2 copying lens posted some images. They are similar to that of high quality German, or Japanese lenses.

http://www.soupis.com/thread-132901-5-1.html


Looks good except for those awful halos around people in the bokeh region.


I often overlook the quality of the bokeh region of a lens. Yes, you are right.


PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Contax made in China!
First I heard of one, interesting.


PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
luisalegria wrote:
Contax made in China!
First I heard of one, interesting.


The owner intends to keep it as a heirloom. He refuses to sell it at whatever price. Wink
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