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conor12
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 Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: Sell a Helios 40-2 for a summicron 90? |
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conor12 wrote:
I was wondering if anyone has any experience with both of these lenses. I have the Helios which I love but I find it the most difficult of all my lenses to focus. Im not sure if it's because of the thin DOF or because of the overly rugged build. It feels a bit like a old tank attached to my camera.
I personally love the bokeh but have to be quite careful where I point it. Being a preset lens somewhat makes up for the time lost in focusing.
Im using a sony so m42 and Leica R are my only options. I will have to convert the summicron but it seems like a fairly painless (and reversible) process.
Does anybody else find the Helios difficult to focus? Im looking for THE portrait lens in m42 or Leica R.
Thanks
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Hi, Connor12
In my humble opinion, they are different lenses that offer different options for pictures.
I believe that it would be convenient for you to have both. And, like first option, for my form to see, the Summicron.
Regards, R I N O
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Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
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Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
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Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
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dekiller
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dekiller wrote:
Having both of them would be nice. Leica may not suitable for lady's portrait. |
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conor12
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conor12 wrote:
hmmmm, keep both.... I'd love to but can't afford it. In fact I would have to sell the Helios first before buying the summicron.
Im a bit scared about losing some of the helios "magic" that can sometimes turn a boring picture into something special.
dekiller, the summicron would be too sharp for female portraits? That would be what I use it for most. I've been lookin at flickr but you can never tell how much post processing they've done.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Oh...
Well, if you have the Helios, don't sell it.
I would be very happy if have it
USE IT, i think that it's the better choice.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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LucisPictor
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LucisPictor wrote:
I would give up a 40-2 for a Cron 90 anytime!
OK, I do not have either lens, but the Helios is huge and the bokeh is not my taste.
The pics that I have seen taken with the Cron are amazing.
If it is only half as good as the Cron 50, it's THE lens!
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conor12
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conor12 wrote:
The price for the Helios has gone up so much that it would be a straight swap for a summicron. A mint condition helios-40-2 just went for 390 euro (495 dollars) on ebay!
How is the 50 for focusing? I find that some lenses just pop into focus easier than others.
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vilva wrote:
Unless you are quite sure you really need f/2, I suggest that you also consider Elmarit 90, even the first version is quite good, see http://galactinus.net/vilva/retro/eos350d_elmarit90.html, especially the linked full-size versions of the photos.
I had a Helios-40-2, but I found out I practically never used apertures larger than f/4 even for portraits due to the difficulty of getting the focus just so.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
| LucisPictor wrote: |
I would give up a 40-2 for a Cron 90 anytime!
OK, I do not have either lens, but the Helios is huge and the bokeh is not my taste.
The pics that I have seen taken with the Cron are amazing.
If it is only half as good as the Cron 50, it's THE lens! |
Hi, LP!!
The LEICA lenses, specially the M series, is the better choice.
I had lot of M series lenses.
One of my favorite is the summicron M 50/2 second series. One time I went to a church that had a gallery. I took pics of this. When I saw them, thought than anything in the slides was wrong. They had spots in the walls . I became to the church to see the walls. The spots were there, but simply with your eyes you can't see them.
I try, as the mayority if us, lenses of almost all the brands, but LEICA M is the best (Leica R and Zeiss are similar, But M is better than both).
They are expensivo, but. . . . . .
Rino.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
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timo832000
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timo832000 wrote:
I Have A Summicron-R 90, it's one of my top lenses, it's a little bit soft wide open, sharp @ 2.8 and razor sharp @ 4...11.
I love this lens but i don't know the Helios.
Let me know If you want me to show some Images taken with the Summicron.
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Attila wrote:
I had both lenses from them I vote for Helios, but from all choices I vote for Carl Zeiss lenses either Jena or Oberkochen
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bawang
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bawang wrote:
Sorry no experience with 40-2.
But I got a Cron-R 90 (non-APO) from Andy and it's one of my fav. A little soft at f2, but sharp thereon. The bokeh...ahhhhh, it's Leica creamy. The softness at f2 is IMHO is very beautiful for portraits. I think 'dekiller' must have been referring to the APO version when he mentioned that it may not be suitable for lady's portrait, which is reputed to be very sharp. |
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
| bawang wrote: |
Sorry no experience with 40-2.
But I got a Cron-R 90 (non-APO) from Andy and it's one of my fav. A little soft at f2, but sharp thereon. The bokeh...ahhhhh, it's Leica creamy. The softness at f2 is IMHO is very beautiful for portraits. I think 'dekiller' must have been referring to the APO version when he mentioned that it may not be suitable for lady's portrait, which is reputed to be very sharp. |
Bawang
I see that you appreciate the LEICA quality. I dare to suggest, since you
likes the portraits , that use the LEICA M series. You can choose between
the summilux M 75/1,4, Summicron M 90/2 (any version), Elmarit M
90/2,8 (any version). But if you want to more soft lens you have the two
Screw lenses Summarex and thambar.
My option M 75/1,4 .
Leica M lenses aren't so used than can be - excelent quality, beleave me.
Rino.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
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Orio wrote:
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dekiller, the summicron would be too sharp for female portraits? |
No.
I used to have the Summicron-R 90 and it's quite dreamy wide open. Not as dreamy as the Helios-40, but still surely on the soft side.
Stopped down the cron 90 sharpens up, but it's never as sharp as the Elmarit-90.
I ended up selling the Summicron because it's too soft for my liking wide open. I prefer the crystal clarity of the Elmarit. Fact is I know how to make a sharp lens take soft photos - but I don't know how to do the other way around.
The Helios-40 is dreamier than the cron 90 wide open, but it's also sharper than the cron when stopped down.
At the moment in that focal range I own Planar 85, Sonnar 85, Elmarit 90 and Helios-40 (75mm) and I sold the Summicron.
So I guess my choices explain better than my words what I prefer.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| Stopped down the cron 90 sharpens up, but it's never as sharp as the Elmarit-90.- |
I agree.
| Orio wrote: |
| .... Fact is I know how to make a sharp lens take soft photos - but I don't know how to do the other way around.- |
And who know? 
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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F16SUNSHINE
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
I would stick to the helios or look for a pancolar 80 (for M42).
The Cron 90 that I traded to Khidhir was a sweet little lens but, I always chose my my Zeiss lenses or the H-40 first.
For me it was simply a matter of personal preference.
I agree with the assessment Orio gives us.
The lens is softish before f4 with nice Bokeh.
Sharpens up nicely but never as sharp as my Planar 85 or the H-40.
The older model has a collapsible built in hood that is almost effective (sometimes to short to really help).
There is no difference between the 3 early versions optically if I understand correctly.
The Helios 40-2 that I had was also sold. Optically it performed as my old one.
In use I found the older one was easier to get to focus accuracy. The model of H-40 I have is a Prototype. I swear that the Helicoid is better (no play and more response with less turning effort) than the late production lenses.
Just to encourage you if you choose to sell your H-40-2. I sold mine with a BIN for $500. You should have no trouble with nice pics and description. 
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote:
My 40-2 focuses like a dream on 40d LiveView. I suspect it could be a nightmare on my 400d.
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conor12
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:42 am Post subject: |
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conor12 wrote:
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Stopped down the cron 90 sharpens up, but it's never as sharp as the Elmarit-90.
I ended up selling the Summicron because it's too soft for my liking wide open. I prefer the crystal clarity of the Elmarit. Fact is I know how to make a sharp lens take soft photos - but I don't know how to do the other way around.
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As I dont shoot film, that is a very good point. I have had a quick look and the elmarit seems like incredibly good value at in and around the 160 euro mark. I am also pretty sure that with my tiny a100 viewfinder and manual focussing "skills" even I can make the elmarit dreamily soft. Thanks for all advice everyone.
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my_photography
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:45 am Post subject: Re: Sell a Helios 40-2 for a summicron 90? |
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my_photography wrote:
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Im using a sony so m42 and Leica R are my only options. I will have to convert the summicron but it seems like a fairly painless (and reversible) process.
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I am also using Minolta/Sony. Do you have a link how to convert Leica R to Minolta AF mount? I am also trying to fine alternate to Sony lenses. |
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conor12
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:58 am Post subject: |
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conor12 wrote:
Here you go....
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1037&message=27937593
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conor12
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conor12 wrote:
well I just sold the Helios for 400 euro!!! I reckon I can pick up a 90 and a 135 elmarit for that price. A fair swap I think. Happy days...  My steinheil quinar 135 is a beautiful lens but it attracts so much attention. It can be difficult getting candid shots when everyone is watching you.
According to http://www.pebbleplace.com/Personal/Leica_db.html there are 3 versions of the 135. Im guessing either of the last two versions are worth while. There is quite a bit of contradictory information on the net though.
Any advice on this?
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vilva
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vilva wrote:
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According to http://www.pebbleplace.com/Personal/Leica_db.html there are 3 versions of the 135. Im guessing either of the last two versions are worth while. There is quite a bit of contradictory information on the net though.
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The differences are rather slight, but the close-up and full aperture performance of the newest version is better. It is a good but quite heavy lens, much heavier than the 4/180 Elmar-R. I've got one of the first specimens of the last version (serial number starting 2773..), and it is my favorite SLR 135.
Test shots at http://galactinus.net/vilva/retro/eos350d_elmarit135.html
Veijo
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egami
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egami wrote:
Yup the h40-2 is heavy beast alright but on the DCS520/560 it felt balanced, which I can shoot hand held all day. Can't say that on the 20d - keep shooting the feet - hahaha only jokingly of course.
I rather like the range of DOF Helios offers.
Never used the other lens though for comparison sake.
I guessed no harm keeping the Helios judging from the price hikes recently.
I paid $150, 2 years ago and the saying goes kilograms in your hand is better then the pounds in the bank LOL.
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