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Kram
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1344 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: Seeking Long Macro Lens on a Budget! |
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Kram wrote:
I'm looking for a longer macro lens (longer than my Micro-Nikkor 105/2.8 ). I want it to be a macro lens as I've noticed that most lenses, even with extension tubes, lack real critical sharpness when it comes to macro.
I'm considering buying a Micro-Nikkor 200/4 IF. What I am concerned about is that I'd like to get to 1:1 and it only does 1:2. Anyone have any experience with this lens. I tread a review that said you need a "teleconverter" not an extension tube to get 1:1.
Suggestions of other lenes welcome but I hope to stay at or under $300.
I'll be using it on a Canon 60D.
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Hiya Mark
All I can think of is a longer enlarger/repro lens on bellows.
You can usually find those pretty cheap, I saw a 150mm Rodagon go for 10ukp the other day. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I had Nikkor 200mm f4 IF macro it has pleasant 70cm MFD, but I found rather general purpose tele lens than macro. I believe longer lenses far less good than closer ones. I like 50mm lenses or enlarger lenses, reverse mount lenses lot better than longer lenses.
I have Kiron 105mm with 1:1 and I had both Nikon 105mm in past too. Based on member RenseH stunning macro pictures taken with third party lenses Paragon, vivitar I think proper light is much more important than lens. _________________ -------------------------------
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Good point Attila, I seem to remember Renseh used a 50mm lens reversed on a 135mm lens. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1693 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Seeking Long Macro Lens on a Budget! |
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WolverineX wrote:
Kram wrote: |
. Anyone have any experience with this lens. I tread a review that said you need a "teleconverter" not an extension tube to get 1:1.
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few samples with micro nikkor 200mm
http://forum.mflenses.com/testing-my-lenses-part-9-micro-nikkor-200mm-4-t31097,highlight,%2Btesting+%2Blenses.html
this lens need tc-300 nikon teleconverter to go 1:1 magnification (at least that was recommended by nikon), but that teleconverter doesn't come cheap.
long macro lens that goes 1:1 without any tube or teleconverter is Canon FD 200mm/4 macro, but prices asked on ebay for it are well above your budget. _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
http://forum.mflenses.com/wolverinex-testing-my-lenses-series-link-list-t39524.html |
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sichko
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 2475 Location: South West UK
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Seeking Long Macro Lens on a Budget! |
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sichko wrote:
Kram wrote: |
Anyone have any experience with this lens. I tread a review that said you need a "teleconverter" not an extension tube to get 1:1. |
Bjørn Rørslett recommends a reverse mounted Nikon 4T Close-up Attachment Lens in order to get to 1:1. _________________ John |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11007 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Tamron SP 90/2.5 52B or 52BB
with 1.4x TC 140F -- effective 126/4, mag to 1:~1.4, retain infinity focus.
with 2x TC 01F -- effective 180/5.6, mag to 1:1, retain infinity focus.
with Dedicated Extension Tube 18F -- effective 90/2.5, magnifications from 1:2 to 1:1, no infinity focus. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Kram
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1344 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
Thanks everyone for your good suggestions!
Attila wrote: |
I had Nikkor 200mm f4 IF macro it has pleasant 70cm MFD, but I found rather general purpose tele lens than macro. I believe longer lenses far less good than closer ones. I like 50mm lenses or enlarger lenses, reverse mount lenses lot better than longer lenses.
I have Kiron 105mm with 1:1 and I had both Nikon 105mm in past too. Based on member RenseH stunning macro pictures taken with third party lenses Paragon, vivitar I think proper light is much more important than lens. |
Proper light is always more important than lens in all cases.
I will be using it in the studio with a weird technique of mine, so the reach and compression of a long lens is important.
It may be good enough at 1:2, or I could perhaps alter my technique a bit.
I've never tried stacking lenses. No idea where to start. I do need to stay at least a foot away from my subject.
I'm quite happy with my Micro-Nikkor 105/2.8 and C/Y Zeiss Makro 60/2.8 but need more compression. |
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danfromm
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 589
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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danfromm wrote:
Krammy boy, if you're thinking of a 200/4 MicroNikkor AI/AIS -- that's the manual focus one -- and not the 200/4 ED-AF, stop thinking. The manual focus lens goes to 1:2 on its own mount, the AF to 1:1. The MF one is not a particularly good lens.
The manual focus lens is, as MicroNikkors go, mediocre. Much less sharp, much less contrasty than the 55/2.8 AI/AIS, 105/4, and 105/2.8 AI/AIS. This by tests in Modern Photography. My trials give the same results. I've used my 200/4 MicroNikkor AIS at 1:1 on a TC-201; if you can stand what it gives at 1:2 you can stand what it gives at 1:1 on the TC-201. It isn't my first choice, sometimes circumstances make it my only choice. Getting one for your budget will take some luck, probably waiting too.
If your project needs an eight inch lens and doesn't need auto diaphragm and doesn't involve shooting at apertures larger than f/9 or f/10, a decent 210 mm process lens will do nicely. Candidates include 8 1/4"/9 Apo-Artar, 210/9 G-Claron, 210/9 Konica Hexanon GR-II, 210/5.6 Apo-Gerogon, and others. If 180 or 240 mm will suit, you might consider a dialyte type Apo-Nikkor (180 and 240 A-Ns are dialytes, the 210 is a tessar type) or an Apo-Saphir. These are all still relatively inexpensive, are all optimized for 1:1, all hold their corrections very well to infinity, and there's not much better as long as larger apertures aren't needed.
I have nothing against tessar type process lenses but the only ones I've used are from TTH so I can't comment on ones from Zeiss and Docter, Lomo, ... Apo Germinars are highly regarded but again I have no experience with any of them. |
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Kram
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1344 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:04 am Post subject: Re: Seeking Long Macro Lens on a Budget! |
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Kram wrote:
sichko wrote: |
Kram wrote: |
Anyone have any experience with this lens. I tread a review that said you need a "teleconverter" not an extension tube to get 1:1. |
Bjørn Rørslett recommends a reverse mounted Nikon 4T Close-up Attachment Lens in order to get to 1:1. |
sichko, thanks for that, great resource! |
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sichko
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 2475 Location: South West UK
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Seeking Long Macro Lens on a Budget! |
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sichko wrote:
Kram wrote: |
sichko wrote: |
Kram wrote: |
Anyone have any experience with this lens. I tread a review that said you need a "teleconverter" not an extension tube to get 1:1. |
Bjørn Rørslett recommends a reverse mounted Nikon 4T Close-up Attachment Lens in order to get to 1:1. |
sichko, thanks for that, great resource! |
You're welcome.
Rørslett recently became a partner in nikongear.com so that his site is now found under its banner. Fortunately it remains free to non-members of that forum. _________________ John |
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