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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5044 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject: Sea: Linear polarizer with S-M-C 120/2,8 |
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kansalliskala wrote:
This is crop. Everything the same but polarizer turned.
Ok, it is not actually a wildlife lens .. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
So the polarizer actually makes the picture worse... As can be seen in the right photo where the swan exhibits a lot of CA (there's none in the left photo).
OK, now I remember why I never use filters _________________ Peter - Moderator
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
How could plain glass cause CA?
Slight misfocus and different exposure are more likely the reason of that axial color.
I used a lot of filters in past - cheap, expensive, different brands, various versions and none of them affected CA. Pure flat glass can affect contrast, sharpness, colours, but it can't create CA. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
You are right... I usually never see this type of "defects" as I always make sure that the exposure is right (no blown highlights or crushed blacks) and I shoot in RAW too. So I'm less likely to be affected. _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Are you using a linear polarizer with a DSLR or is this film.
You should use a circular with a dslr. The Linear can cause Color transmition problems and Moire to a bayer type sensor. _________________ Moderator |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5044 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Didn't notice the CA ..
Just thought that colors are better on the right.
Remember this is 100% crop not 100% crap. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Perhaps polarizer not so good, my first cheap polarizer dropped out from my hands when I saw result on camera back it was too crap. _________________ -------------------------------
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Polarizers are very useful don't give up on them.
We must think of any filter as we do a lens.
A sheet filter is going to give sheet results.
Best to stick with B+W or Heliopan.
If you are a landscape shooter buy the best Circular polarizer for your largest diameter lens.
You may buy cheap step down rings for the smaller lenses to adapt this one.
Do not use old linear Polarizers with a DSLR you will get Moire and other strange results.
There is a reason that Circular polarizers were invented. AF sensors and Bayer array are that reason. _________________ Moderator |
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greg
Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 683
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:03 am Post subject: |
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greg wrote:
Buy two of them and stack them. You now have a variable neutral density filter. But don't tell THAT company that charges $300USD+ for theirs, it might hurt their feelings..................
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5044 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
Polarizers are very useful don't give up on them.
We must think of any filter as we do a lens.
A sheet filter is going to give sheet results.
Best to stick with B+W or Heliopan.
If you are a landscape shooter buy the best Circular polarizer for your largest diameter lens.
You may buy cheap step down rings for the smaller lenses to adapt this one.
Do not use old linear Polarizers with a DSLR you will get Moire and other strange results.
There is a reason that Circular polarizers were invented. AF sensors and Bayer array are that reason. |
Thank you for the advice.
I planned to use the linear polarize just to shoot sky, sea and vegetables. In Finland they always have pretty low contrast so CA is not very serious problem. The swan was very extraordinary sight visually, old people wrote them in mythologies and Sibelius wrote some dramatic music about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Swan_of_Tuonela
The nice thing of linear polarizer is to control the reflections. With the circular polarizer it is just on / off?
How often you get moire or other weird things (this is really a question): A) one in every two frames, B) one in ten frames, C) one in a hundred or less. And does the direction of the polarizer have any effect? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5044 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:15 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
So the polarizer actually makes the picture worse... As can be seen in the right photo where the swan exhibits a lot of CA (there's none in the left photo). |
The filter is on both shots, it is just different direction. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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