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Samyang 85mm f1.4 Aspherical IF (Some samples)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:



Fantastic lens indeed. Nice portrait too!


Thanx!

Another one:


PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm uncertain if I'll get this one as I have a Nikon 85/2 AI-s already, however their newly announced 14/2.8 will certainly find its way to me [regardless of possible non-linear or "moustache" distortion] Smile


Guess this these lenses are examples of where CAD really shines, in the olden days a small company would have had trouble pulling something like this off.

And most refreshing to see a new line of fast primes as opposed to slow consumer zooms Smile


PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
As per another thread, I plan to test mine head-to-head with my FD 85/1.2 SSC Aspherical. I have not had time to do it yet, since I only received the Rokinon yesterday.

In lieu of comparison shots, here are a couple of wide-open samples from my Rokinon version of this lens. Just a couple of stupid shots, but to show the sharpness and bokeh at least...



100%:




100%:


No CA correction has been done (I don't even know how to do it). The CA is there, but not too bad at all.

Last edited by cogitech on Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:29 pm; edited 2 times in total


PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Scoo wrote:


And most refreshing to see a new line of fast primes as opposed to slow consumer zooms Smile


Not too mention that they are now yet another purely MF lens manufacturer. This is good news in so many ways Smile


PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
hinnerker wrote:
Ok, here are some samples directly with the Samyang

All images taken on a 5D FF, f/1.4

#1

#2

#3


I like this lens much for portraits.

Its in EOS Mount and i did glue a confirmation chip directly on the lens mount.

There is already a Samyang Thread... so i posted there how you can manage that.

http://forum.mflenses.com/samyang-85mm-focusing-question-t19774.html

Cheers
Henry


What an absolutely beautiful woman! Her age makes her even more beautiful, and you have captured her spirit as well. Wonderful!


PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The wide open bokeh is simply delightful.
I can't speak about the resolvance because I would have to look at some 100% RAWS from hi resolution cameras such as the D3X or 5DMkII in order to be able to compare with the lenses that I have on the same pixel base.
However it's not the little more or little less resolvance that does it for me. I am photographer not scientist, so I prefer to evaluate the overall artistic performance first.

The "wide open in controlled light" performances have won me. Seen lots of those samples now, and all are very good.
But that is the home ground for this lens. Now let's see how it does play in "away games" like stopped down and torture-test conditions shoots (backlit, strong contrast, casual lighting, live action, night shots etc.)


PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
just got this lens last week. Only 4 days shipment from the US to here in south east asia by UPS.

I'm starting to like this lens, on 5d i have to use focus-bracketing, but on 40D liveview usually nails the focus.

Some initial test pics of this lens. all pics are all @1.4






pics were resize by picasa to web size. Original images are way better.


PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Finally i bought this lens and waiting for shipment, being new to ebay shopping i forgot to mention that it should be a Nikon mount, alittle later i've sent them an email regarding the issue, i hope it won't be a better? Sad


Next target is Planar 85 1.4 Wink

Asof now i have 3 portrait lenses:

Nikkor 85mm 1.8 AF
Samyang 85 1.4 MF
Jupiter 9 MF


PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
f/2.8


PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lovely portrait


PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
myshutters wrote:
just got this lens last week. Only 4 days shipment from the US to here in south east asia by UPS.

I'm starting to like this lens, on 5d i have to use focus-bracketing, but on 40D liveview usually nails the focus.

Some initial test pics of this lens. all pics are all @1.4






pics were resize by picasa to web size. Original images are way better.


Congrats for your great lens! I wish to see more samples in Digital Gallery.


PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wow! Many great images in this thread. I'm particularly impressed by hinnerker's shots, but all are excellent.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
The wide open bokeh is simply delightful.
I can't speak about the resolvance because I would have to look at some 100% RAWS from hi resolution cameras such as the D3X or 5DMkII in order to be able to compare with the lenses that I have on the same pixel base.
However it's not the little more or little less resolvance that does it for me. I am photographer not scientist, so I prefer to evaluate the overall artistic performance first.

The "wide open in controlled light" performances have won me. Seen lots of those samples now, and all are very good.
But that is the home ground for this lens. Now let's see how it does play in "away games" like stopped down and torture-test conditions shoots (backlit, strong contrast, casual lighting, live action, night shots etc.)


Hi,

i think there is no need to make torture tests under the conditions you are talking about.
Each lens has its own application range.. you would never use a 1.2 Lens in heavy sunlight.. its build for available light situations. Also a portrait lens with an f-stopp of 1.4 is not the first choice for doing landscape images and so on.

This lens types especially with f/1.4 are "Specialists" for a limited area.

The are corrected for a special light situation. Sometimes its interesting to find out what more a lens can do for the photographer.. but if you are willing to accept that lenses have different usability's, so torture tests are not necessary to find limitations. The limits are clear to everyone.

But here is a test sample with different f-stopps for you.

From f/1.4 to f/11 on infinity focus



The limitation of sharpness (dont know the english term for "Beugungsunschärfe") is near f/5.6- f/8..

Ups, very small image.... here is a direct link for higher resolution..

http://dunkelnetz.de/images/objektivtests/samyang_1.4_85_portraittele/samyang-blreihe-von-offen-bis-11.jpg

Here are further samples for some strange situations using a
portrait lens

Sunlight situation.. open aperture



Lets go on with reflecting metallic surface in the sunlight....
you can see the small amount of CA in the OOF Area.




Next picture shows the color reendering of the lens f/2.0



A nearfield crop out of a EOS 5D MK1 FF Image



Did a complete test for all parameters and situations for the Samyang.
This lens is fantastic. Only the infinity behavior is not as good as i expected. But this is not a worry for me, its a lens for portraits not more and not less than that. And for this job, i cant remember seeing a lens for that price with such phantastic performance in more than 30 Years of doing photography.

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hinnerker wrote:

i think there is no need to make torture tests under the conditions you are talking about.
Each lens has its own application range.. you would never use a 1.2 Lens in heavy sunlight.. its build for available light situations. Also a portrait lens with an f-stopp of 1.4 is not the first choice for doing landscape images and so on.
This lens types especially with f/1.4 are "Specialists" for a limited area.
The are corrected for a special light situation. Sometimes its interesting to find out what more a lens can do for the photographer.. but if you are willing to accept that lenses have different usability's, so torture tests are not necessary to find limitations. The limits are clear to everyone.


I do not agree with you. In general, because it's not true that f/1.4 lenses should not be used in full sunlight and at infinity, and specifically about this situation, because someone said that this Samyang lens should replace the Planar 1.4/85 that I have. In order to do that, the Samyang would need to perform excellent against the light and up to f/8, situations where my Planar excels.
Otherwise, it's too easy to say that "lens x" is the best lens in it's focal range, and never provide image samples that show how it does in various situations that are not it's ideal situation.
If the original statement was not comparative, then maybe I would not think about it, but if one claims that a lens is better than other well known excellent lenses, the statement must be proved.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
+1

Rino.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
hinnerker wrote:

i think there is no need to make torture tests under the conditions you are talking about.
Each lens has its own application range.. you would never use a 1.2 Lens in heavy sunlight.. its build for available light situations. Also a portrait lens with an f-stopp of 1.4 is not the first choice for doing landscape images and so on.
This lens types especially with f/1.4 are "Specialists" for a limited area.
The are corrected for a special light situation. Sometimes its interesting to find out what more a lens can do for the photographer.. but if you are willing to accept that lenses have different usability's, so torture tests are not necessary to find limitations. The limits are clear to everyone.


I do not agree with you. In general, because it's not true that f/1.4 lenses should not be used in full sunlight and at infinity, and specifically about this situation, because someone said that this Samyang lens should replace the Planar 1.4/85 that I have. In order to do that, the Samyang would need to perform excellent against the light and up to f/8, situations where my Planar excels.
Otherwise, it's too easy to say that "lens x" is the best lens in it's focal range, and never provide image samples that show how it does in various situations that are not it's ideal situation.
If the original statement was not comparative, then maybe I would not think about it, but if one claims that a lens is better than other well known excellent lenses, the statement must be proved.

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Correct, but you can do this only in comparable situations with both lenses holding in one hand and do test shots in nearly the same/equal situations.

I think, none of us can fullfill this pre-condition for a test like that.
So the results are clear. Some compairs like this against a Nikkor 1.4/85mm AIS, i also did have many years ago, are telling enough.
And a Nikkor 1.4/85mm AIS is not a "0815" lens..
but see the test..

http://www.jsvfoto.com/Home/faqs/nikkor85mmf14aisvspolar85mmf14/nikkorpolarreview

In Addition to that its not really important for me if this lens is better or not in compairison to a Carl Zeiss 1.4/85mm. In relation/terms of price and overall performance it will outperform the Zeiss for each ones money pocket.

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't agree with "mix" quality question with money question.

I know the others members can agree with that "mix", and to consider to the money inverted like an important element in the decision.

I hear a lot of very good things about the samyang 1,4/85, but the mayority of these "very good things" are based on determinated situations and wide open. I don't have the lens and hope to see it comparated with others (new and old ones, cheaps and not cheaps if you like that categories).

I noted certain emotional charge in some affirmations about the lens. I refered to emotional 'cos they aren't accompanied by complete test with other lenses in varied (simple and complex) situations. It seems to my more like an expression of desires than technical affirmations.

The samyang can surprise to us by a very good yield wide open or at f/2,8. But the optical quality, in the photographic area, is not that single for my. Of course it is an affirmation based on the subjectivity, that can, or no, to be share.

Regards, Rino.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hinnerker wrote:

In Addition to that its not really important for me if this lens is better or not in compairison to a Carl Zeiss 1.4/85mm.


Maybe not for you, but someone else raised this comparison issue, and my remark, that you commented, was in reply to that.

hinnerker wrote:
In relation/terms of price and overall performance it will outperform the Zeiss for each ones money pocket.


Let's see about the price:
I paid 320 Euros for my Planar 1.4/85, excellent condition.
The Samyang costs 279 Euros at the best price I can find here.

About the performance:
I have yet to see. So far I only read big declaration words... and a lot very good images, but most of them shot at f/1.4, all in favourable light. I have yet to see a good backlight image yet. And please don't tell me that one is not supposed to take a backlight portrait...

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here's how my Planar 1.4/85 works in backlight and strong lateral light conditions:













You stated that the Samyang outperforms the Planar, I am really curious to see the evidences that will support this statement.
I tell you in advance, even if the Samyang will just equal the Planar's performance, I will buy a copy of the Samyang for sure.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looking forward to seeing the results of the competition!!


PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
hinnerker wrote:

In Addition to that its not really important for me if this lens is better or not in compairison to a Carl Zeiss 1.4/85mm.


Maybe not for you, but someone else raised this comparison issue, and my remark, that you commented, was in reply to that.

hinnerker wrote:
In relation/terms of price and overall performance it will outperform the Zeiss for each ones money pocket.


Let's see about the price:
I paid 320 Euros for my Planar 1.4/85, excellent condition.
The Samyang costs 279 Euros at the best price I can find here.

About the performance:
I have yet to see. So far I only read big declaration words... and a lot very good images, but most of them shot at f/1.4, all in favourable light. I have yet to see a good backlight image yet. And please don't tell me that one is not supposed to take a backlight portrait...

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Hi Orio,

No one did tell that. I only did tell, that most of 1.4 Lenses are not good performers wide open in the sun. I did some tests with some f/1.4/50mm lenses, Zuiko, Summilux, Mamiya 55mm, HFT Planars and lots of others.
Most of them can't handle direct sunlight situations wide open and show
glowing effects on light/shadow - surface edges.. thats all.
The best was the Summilux 1.4/50mm near #3.000.000. This lens is fantastic in all situations.

In terms of price.. i did buy the Samyang lens for 175 Euro on second hand market. The polish seller sells this lens NEW at 239 Euro or less.
To find a 1.4/85mm Planar for a 320 Euro is a bargain. You cant find the Planar everyday for that price.

But i think its the best way for you, to buy one copy and make your own
decision if my words are right or wrong... Very Happy

Ok, here are some further samples for you..



And a 100% Crop out of it..




Carsten, i hope that is ok for you to show the pic also in this forum..











Believe me, you will be very surprised.. really surprised like Carsten after testing my copy of the Samyang in Marburg.

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice samples. Good to see good ol' Carsten on the other side of the glass Wink
Yes I think I'll have to buy one copy and see for myself. Damn, I have one hundred 85-90 mm lenses already Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Nice samples. Good to see good ol' Carsten on the other side of the glass Wink
Yes I think I'll have to buy one copy and see for myself. Damn, I have one hundred 85-90 mm lenses already Rolling Eyes


Very Happy Like me.. Elmarit 90mm, Rolleinar 105mm, Samyang 85mm, Travenar 90mm and so on.. in the past Nikkor 1.4/85mm, Super Tak 1.9/85, Takumar 2.8/105 and on and on and on... Very Happy

So i decided to give them away and keep only what i need for my daily use.
The 4 Portrait lenses i will keep for the rest of my days.. Very Happy

The Samyang i did buy for the need of a fast portraits lens and was really surpriced by his optical performance after shooting with lots of expensiv lenses. Normally i am not the guy who wants 3rd brands like sigma, tamron, vivitar etc.. but after lots of positiv critics i decided to buy one copy. As you can see, normally i prefer Zeiss and especially Leica Lenses, but this "Fu...ing" Samyang is excellent.

If the Samyang not fullfill your expectations, you can easily sell them again...

Cheers
Henry


PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
hinnerker wrote:
The 4 Portrait lenses i will keep for the rest of my days.. Very Happy

Lol! Laughing


PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A test I did that you all may find interesting:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/825463

As far as lighting conditions, I have been using mine in all sorts of lighting and I have not noticed any weaknesses.

The only weak points of the lens are that it is not so sharp at infinity and it has some CA (but as you see in the comparison, the CA is not "terrible" at all, either).

So, this is not a comparison of the Rokinon with the Zeiss Planar, but I know for a fact that my SSC Aspherical is significantly superior to the Planar with respect to both resolution and bokeh, so you can extrapolate about how the Planar will compare to the Rokinon (based on my test).
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