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poilu
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: reala snapshots |
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poilu wrote:
I try the distagon with reala
I scanned by photographing the negatives with a bellow
Then I processed the files in vuescan
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
What Distagon poilu, the 1.4/35?
Some pictures (like cat) seem perfect in every way.
In other pictures there seems to be a sort of "colour burn" effect and perhaps a little too much saturation for my taste (like#2). _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Jesito
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
I like all them, Poilu, even with the saturation Orio mentions... Adds some dramatism. The small green plant at bottom right on pic #2 is a good reference to the natural colours.
Good work!.
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
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Attila
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
#2 is quiet extraordinary, great series. _________________ -------------------------------
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A G Photography
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
#2 and #5 are my preferred even if they seems more like velvia 50 than reala... or maybe exactly for that reason
Jokes apart great shots and great eye for composition and light. _________________ Alessandro
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poilu
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
thanks Jes, Alessandro & Attila
Orio wrote: |
In other pictures there seems to be a sort of "colour burn" effect and perhaps a little too much saturation for my taste |
It is my first try of scanning by photographing a negative
I used vuescan, this soft is tricky to tune and it doesn't have saturation control
I just replaced #2 it with a pp version (refresh page to get it)
yes it is the 35 1.4, I tried it wide open but this is less usable on FF (less dof) _________________ T* |
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Don't get me wrong, poilu, I too like the pictures. I didn't comment on them because the pictures seem more or less the same that you have shown the other day in digital form.
I think the result of what you did is interesting. Perhaps more difficult to control than scanning, but it seems to give the photos a "character". Which is a god thing, as long as you can control it. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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poilu
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Don't get me wrong, poilu |
No problem, we post to learn and I am also against artificial saturation.
Orio wrote: |
the pictures seem more or less the same that you have shown the other day in digital form |
yes I tried the same shots to compare digital with film
when I review #2 in digital it is evident that saturation was too high
I will scan with my polaroid slide scanner but I have to found my scsii card
I also wanted to show that photographing slide can be a good alternative to a flat scanner _________________ T* |
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
poilu wrote: |
I also wanted to show that photographing slide can be a good alternative to a flat scanner |
More "lively" and less sterile than scanner, yes.
I like your results.
I may try this technique myself. Thanks for opening a road. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
These are nice Poilu. The scanning technique does indeed add some interesting character. You know the last one with the girl is really my favorite. The composition/framing, line and contrasting elements make a super fun shot. I hope you are happy with this one. |
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Schnauzer
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Schnauzer wrote:
I'm surprised no one mentioned #3 my favorite. _________________ Ron |
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
I like all of these, with 2 and the last being faves. Very nice, Poilu!
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maddog10
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: |
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maddog10 wrote:
Schnauzer wrote: |
I'm surprised no one mentioned #3 my favorite. |
What is that, bathroom humor?
I like #4!
I must have plain tastes. I find some of the others to be too colorful. (I guess 'color burn' as Orio put it, is a good description). Compositions are all top notch! Thanks for the 'retro' scanning, I also have a slide copying attachment for my Nikon bellows (but no slides). _________________ Michael Hill |
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Bruce
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:54 am Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote:
The little girl... shes does have the blue tongue from candy? |
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montecarlo
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: |
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montecarlo wrote:
Great shots !!! See, I told you... wide an fast lenses can create that 3D like effect. I like thin DOF. _________________ Canonet QL17 III
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poilu
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
sunshine wrote: |
I hope you are happy with this one |
Yes I am quite happy with the results.
My last try on negative was disastrous with most oof and this series look more promising.
Many here shots film and we must all push in this direction
Digital is a bad drug and we miss a great part of photography
Thanks Ron, Bill and Mike
Yes Bruce, it was a colored candy
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wide an fast lenses can create that 3D like effect |
I think film help a lot for 3D effect.
3D is almost always present with film where in digital it is more a matter of luck to get it.
Fast lenses can create nice atmosphere as long as the bokeh is nice.
The distagon is very good and even a missed focus is usable where other lenses would give unpleasant result _________________ T* |
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A G Photography
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
poilu wrote: |
Cosmin wrote: |
wide an fast lenses can create that 3D like effect |
I think film help a lot for 3D effect.
3D is almost always present with film where in digital it is more a matter of luck to get it.
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This is because a lot of photographers don't fully "develop" digital files and are happy with in camera Jpgs (which are the "polaroids" of digital) or simple raw conversion.
For example the AA filter of a digital camera lowers heavily the microcontrast of an image and this has to be recovered in post production.
Digital is not a drug, it's more a beast that needs to be tamed. _________________ Alessandro
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poilu
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
this is the conversion with silverfast, a more competent software
it take directly raw file and need only few steps to tune
maybe more saturation would help but this is the default one
the vuescan version look kitsch but experimentation is always worth
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Very nice !!! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Very nice !!! |
Yes, you are!
(Thought I'd do a Jules-type post. )
Poilu, would like to see your bellows setup for taking pics of these negs.
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poilu
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Bill wrote: |
Poilu, would like to see your bellows setup for taking pics of these negs |
I use a contax bellow but any bellow is ok
The negative could even be photographed on a light table
here is a sample
& 100% crop not sharpened, no noise reduction or anything
of course it is a bellow and every magnification is possible _________________ T* |
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Cool setup, Poilu!
Bill |
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