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Laurence
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 Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: RB67 and 180mm Lens-ADDED Better Scan |
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Laurence wrote:
Here's my first experiment with the Mamiya RB67 and its Sekor f:4 180mm at the limit of its close-focus point.
Grand Pass Moss Fields
Velvia 50
f:45 and 1/2 second
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CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Subject is fantastic, but looks to me taken by low quality lens or light was too less. I expect lot better result from a 6x7 cam. Might be I am wrong, don't know.
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Laurence
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Subject is fantastic, but looks to me taken by low quality lens or light was too less. I expect lot better result from a 6x7 cam. Might be I am wrong, don't know. |
I'm wondering if I overexposed slightly here when scanning. The transparency looks VERY good.
I'm still not overjoyed yet with the V700. I mean, it's probably as good as a flatbed can be, but perhaps a dedicated medium format scanner is the way to go.
That said, I had to rescan this several times to actually get to this point. Perhaps the nature of the detail is too much for the scanner (or should I say with my ability with the scanner).
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
I guess weakest point in the chain still scanner. How about a light pad and a good enalrger lens or macro lens + Pentax. Perhaps produce perfect result with low cost.
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Orio wrote:
The subject is very sweet and with a limited dynamic range that makes it pictorial.
The result is very pleasing on the pictorial/decorative side, this is one of those photos that one would like to see printed big on a wall.
I think I get what Attila means, that the result somehow seems to lack a bit of "punch"; I think it depends mostly on the light which is diffused and not directional. On a more contrasted subject it would be possible to see a different result.
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A G Photography
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A G Photography wrote:
Hmmm To me isn't so bad but it could be improved.
In the foreground you have some OOF, but I think this is also in the original slide and isn't a planariety problem of the scanned slide.
Then in the scanner program you use you have to set the black point because there's a yellow cast. Scanner sensor lights aren't neutral and the casts that they produce must be corrected in the preview.
Adding to it Velvia has a limited EV range so you have to check image levels also, so to recover the right contrast.
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zewrak
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zewrak wrote:
Send me a negative/slide and Ill scan it for you to test if its worth a new scanner. :p
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Laurence
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Laurence wrote:
Thanks you guys, for taking the time to help me here! That's the beauty of this forum.
I am sort of "hit and miss" with my scanner, and part of that is that I haven't taken the time to go through a complete tutorial, nor have I used all the tweaks available. 
I agree that this lacks the "punch" of the transparency. On the light box, the transparency is simply great, at least to my eyes. The Monkeyflowers simply "explode" off the slide and show a depth and dimensionality that really MAKES the transparency as a whole.
The results that I've seen from dedicated medium format slide scanners are by and large, better than I'm getting from the V700. There ARE exceptions, and I think it almost depends on what is contained in the original transparency, in order for the scanner to show a proper rendition.
I like the idea of "scanning" via camera and bellows, similar to what poilu and Orio are doing with their 35mm cameras.
zewrak, thanks for the offer! I will try a few more things on the scanner, AND will get going on a "camera scan" to see what I can produce. If all else fails, I will gladly send the transparency on to you! 
Alessandro, thank you for the idea on the black point. I'll incorporate it into my next attempts.
THANK YOU all...I am up for any more suggestions you might have. It is a shame to me that I'm not yet able to show the dynamicism of the original transparency. 
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Laurence
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Here's an older scan of the same area. This scan seems to have more punch....one thing I AM seeing, is that the very detailed moss fronds are hard to capture in their native beauty.
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Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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zewrak
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zewrak wrote:
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zewrak, thanks for the offer! I will try a few more things on the scanner, AND will get going on a "camera scan" to see what I can produce. If all else fails, I will gladly send the transparency on to you!
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Cool. Would be fun to see how the same scan looks with different scanners.
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Xpres wrote:
What about passing a slide around so we could all have a go with all our different methods of digitising? We'd get quite an insight into the pros and cons of so many techniques.
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zewrak wrote:
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| What about passing a slide around so we could all have a go with all our different methods of digitising? We'd get quite an insight into the pros and cons of so many techniques. |
Thumbs up. Someone make a package of
1x35mm B&W
1x35mm Colour
1xSlide B&W
1xSlide Colour
1xMedium format B&W
1xMedium format Colour
and lets start sending it around. The one that can make the package will be in the end of the chain and get it back from the last scanner. 
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A G Photography
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A G Photography wrote:
Playing in PS with levels and color balance (the same thing you can do in Silverfast for sure, but I also think Vuescan could do this).
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SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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Laurence
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Alessandro, much better! I realize this is a quick fix, but you are closer to the original, maybe a little too much magenta, but closer indeed.
I will be happy to collect the menagerie of slides and negs in the formats indicated, and pass them on. Stay tuned, and I'll mail them out - who would like to receive them first?
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Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Alessandro did magic with this scene!
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zewrak wrote:
Just as if it was grabbed straight out of Teletubbies!
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