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Production resumed Helios 40-2, Zenitar, TeleZenitar
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, it might be a little risky to get one without knowing how similar it is to the older versions, but at least I don't have to worry about dust just yet.

And it is autumn and from what I saw it seems like a really good "autumn portrait lens" so I hope to get it working soon. It will be my first manual lens and from what I gathered it is not so easy to handle so it's going to be a real challenge Smile


PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
fermy wrote:
Let's face it, this is not speculating on bread for the starving. Most people on this board have about 10x the number of lenses anyone can possibly need. There are thousands of quality lenses that can be had for very reasonable prices. To me the quoted $600 for the Helios is laughable, for 200 Euros, yeah, I am interested. However, if there are people that are ready to buy at $600, then the asking price is correct.


+1 I had/have all version in past and present not worth at all for 600 USD.


PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
zenit55 wrote:
This lens looks cool, but for me a part of the appeal of these soviet lenses is not only they are good, but also there is no more soviet union, so there would never be any more true soviet era lenses. Might be a bit silly but that's my opinion.

I'd pay 400-500 for an old one in great shape, but most I'd pay for modern one would be $350. I bet soon they will manufacture a bunch of them and they will be readily available like the zenitars and mirs they currently produce.


+1 I respect also those what are part if history and not actual product.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Brand new Helios-40-2:



Price(see sales slip at right) is 8041rub., about $260


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pinkerator wrote:
About 600$ - guys, you could offer cost that you like in private messages.

This is a cost for first months because it's really really hard to buy lenses right now. When enough lenses will be produced - the price will drop and I'll write you a message about it. I just need to know how much people want to have that lens in collection.


The only problem with your reasoning is that it might be really hard to buy it, but its still only costing you $260 from the store. Just because you can't buy 20 at a time doesn't make it more expensive for you.

A lot of us are interested in this lens, as are many others around the internet, and we would be more than willing to pay a fair price for it.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is amazing.. always lusted for the 40-2.. Wink hope they increase production (and don't increase the price) and make it available world wide..


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
nukemall wrote:
Brand new Helios-40-2:
Price(see sales slip at right) is 8041rub., about $260

Thanks for the confirmation.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sirrith wrote:
Pinkerator wrote:
About 600$ - guys, you could offer cost that you like in private messages.

This is a cost for first months because it's really really hard to buy lenses right now. When enough lenses will be produced - the price will drop and I'll write you a message about it. I just need to know how much people want to have that lens in collection.


The only problem with your reasoning is that it might be really hard to buy it, but its still only costing you $260 from the store. Just because you can't buy 20 at a time doesn't make it more expensive for you.

A lot of us are interested in this lens, as are many others around the internet, and we would be more than willing to pay a fair price for it.


Right now only way to buy it is to wake up in the morning and go to another city where the only shop of 'Zenit' is. There may be a couple of lenses today, or may not. Anyway they sell only one lens for one person.

You right, it doesn't make lens more expensive, but...


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Must be a unequally Russian way of doing business Smile There may be one lens, may not be. depends if we feel like making them that's what :p

That I actually dig Razz

Stick it to the capitalist pig.. wait...


er.



I'm gonna have another beer.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
They are obviously trying to copy apple with their fanboy camps outside the store before the iPhone releases!!


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hooray! It exists and I got it!
Bought from the "seller" with a decent margin.
But I really wanted to see "what it is."

In this post, only the appearance and packaging. On a separate piece of paper in the photo it says "Warning!
Appearance may not match a showing in the manual. "

Also in the manual there is mention of the "MC" version and not the "MC".

Pay attention to the cover, it amber and blue. But the blue layer as uneven. (see close-up photo with numbers).

Rear lens glare just amber.
Front cover - steel.
Rear - plastic.
The lens is made october 3d.

It's funny that the lens is equipped with color filters Smile It's better to put the hood instead Smile

A little later, take test photos and a comparison with the old silver version.


















PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
YES, PLEASE compare photos from the old "silver" 40 as well.
I'd LOVE to see the differences.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for sharing.
Why is the coating is uneven as seen in the blue reflection?
Is it normal? Never seen an uneven coating before.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hoanpham wrote:
Thanks for sharing.
Why is the coating is uneven as seen in the blue reflection?
Is it normal? Never seen an uneven coating before.


At the macro picture, covering structure looks more like fur Smile
I've seen it only in silver old lens from the 60s.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I see some painting defects (and possible retouches) on both the bottom and the filter ring.
Don't want to sound negative, but is it possible that it's simply an old lens refurbished?

I would like to read at least a company's communication on the whereabouts of the resuming of the production.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
I see some painting defects (and possible retouches) on both the bottom and the filter ring.
Don't want to sound negative, but is it possible that it's simply an old lens refurbished?

I would like to read at least a company's communication on the whereabouts of the resuming of the production.


Maybe so!
But I bought a new Soviet lenses - many had similar streaks of paint. New "Zenith ET" I bought in 1991 was not very well painted.
I think this is the style Smile


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Uneven coating should mean that the temperature was lowered too fast after vaporization/sputtering of the coatings or glass was to cold while doing that or vacuum pump wasn't strong enough anymore.

Might be a problem of using old mashines. Especially vacuum pumps are aging.

I guess it doesn't affect IQ much anyway


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A very very very quick night comparison test.
Left the tripod at work - shot from the box, not breathing ... Angle and place the camera - did not change.
I repeated this test (try to re-test with a ruler) and color test, bokeh test - tomorrow.

Test chart NEW




Center crop OLD


Center crop NEW


Right top corner OLD


Right top corner NEW


lower left corner OLD


lower left corner NEW


lower right mid OLD


lower right mid NEW


Feeling that both lenses trouble with centering lenses.
Today, that's all.
Good night!


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So it's still not a great lens and costs 6x what it did when I 1st joined this forum. I thought it was overpriced then, but now it's just silly. I could buy a better modern lens for less.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am more interested in the rendering character of the differing lenses.
Though, the sharpness test is good to know also.
Thanks!


PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So, any test photos?

How is the new lens compared to the old one?

Is it worth buying, or should we just wait for the prices on ebay to drop due to competition during the next year?


PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
martinsmith99 wrote:
So it's still not a great lens and costs 6x what it did when I 1st joined this forum. I thought it was overpriced then, but now it's just silly. I could buy a better modern lens for less.


Lens has never been a great, its value on the film - at all doubtful.
But he certainly has a soul and horizma - for it and love it Smile
I love this lens Smile
For serious work, this lens is not suitable, it's true. lens interesting only at fully open aperture.
This is a lens for the soul, as lensbaby.
This is a freak among normal lenses. Of course the same Samyang in times "correct" but it's boring.
On the box and in the manual (see the text in red boxes) says that this lens is made on technical parameters established in 1986, in 1989 and in 1992 - so the lens does not look better than its predecessors.
It should be exactly the same.

ТУ 3-3.1091-86 - valid from 1987
ТУ 3-3.2080-89 - valid from 1989
ТУ 3-3.2344-92 - valid from 1992



PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
@fotokino - I agree with what you say and I have quite a few Russian lenses that have similar qualities; its just the price that makes this lens unattractive to me.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
martinsmith99 wrote:
@fotokino - I agree with what you say and I have quite a few Russian lenses that have similar qualities; its just the price that makes this lens unattractive to me.


Oh yes, the price of which wring resellers - is crazy.
You can see what's going on Russian flea markets.

At the moment the exchange rate is:
1 $ = 31.20 RUB
1 е = 40.13 RUB
1 GBP = 49.95 RUB

1. http://www.avito.ru/catalog/all-0/moskva-637640?name=%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BE%D1%81+40-2
2. http://molotok.ru/listing.php/search?sg=0&string=%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BE%D1%81+40-2
3. http://slando.ru/list/?q=%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BE%D1%81+40-2


PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
fotkino wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote:
So it's still not a great lens and costs 6x what it did when I 1st joined this forum. I thought it was overpriced then, but now it's just silly. I could buy a better modern lens for less.


Lens has never been a great, its value on the film - at all doubtful.
But he certainly has a soul and horizma - for it and love it Smile
I love this lens Smile
For serious work, this lens is not suitable, it's true. lens interesting only at fully open aperture.
This is a lens for the soul, as lensbaby.
This is a freak among normal lenses. Of course the same Samyang in times "correct" but it's boring.


I think price for newly produced lens is quite low. This is Hall Of Fame member lens. It has darn thick glass with special characteristics, and made from tank tough materials. And despite its robustness it also has soul as nicely said by Fotkino.

Those guys at Zenit did market it poorly for sure. These strange rumours rose suspicion more then anticipation. Instead they should made proper presentation and offer on this forum and others too. They should find reliable selling person on Ebay to sell exclusively not some chap with feedback of 30.
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