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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:23 pm    Post subject: PP technique - opinions Reply with quote
I'm working on a PP technique for digital colour photos, to obtain a particular look, or "character" if you prefer.
I'd like to ask you if you like the result or not:

original



processed


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Personally I don't like it. Looks too harsh and gives the impression of low technical quality.


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looks a bit 'painterly' like a conversion to painting but retaining photo detail. No. I don't like it. It's neither one nor the other. Bring some more!!

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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
miran wrote:
Personally I don't like it. Looks too harsh and gives the impression of low technical quality.

+1 , poor on my monitor


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Agree


patrickh


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
looks oversharpened and highlights blown by using the slider to much


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
With this photo, the technique seems a bit heavy-handed to my vision. Might be much better results for an 'easier' to process photo. I would batch process a bunch of images to look at, to get a better 'feel' for how the technique works more universally...

For making this photo, a reflector on the ground to shine light upwards into the scene would have made for less PP, I think. Of course those don't always fit in...


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It doesn't look oversharpened on my screen.
It seems that you have boosted the micro-structure. Generally I like that and also often do it.
There are, however, certain areas in the picture (e.g. th sitting girl on the left in the background) where this causes an unfavourable effect, as if the image quality was rather low.
The faces of those youngsters on the left seem to show tonal breaks.

A combination of the foreground of the processed and the background of the original picture would be interesting to see.

Something like this:


I hope you don't mind me tinkering around with your image, Orio.


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi Orio,

Well, looks overdone. Even not being a PS specialist, and not knowing what exactly you're doing, let me ask,
If converting this image to Lab Color mode, applying the transformations you've made only to the Light channel, re-converting it to RGB 16 bits, you don't get a more natural rendering?

Cheers,

Renato


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
eddieitman wrote:
looks oversharpened and highlights blown by using the slider to much


+1 Sad

I prefer you normal HQ posting which looks more natural.


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wanted to do something that could resemble the colour quality of very early colour prints, like the Autochromes, but without the grain of the original process.
I know, I know that there are presets for that in Alienskin Exposure... but I prefer to make my own version of it. I dont want my pics to use common available presets...
I think I nailed the colour quite right. But as someone noticed, the process I followed causes some posterization.


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
I wanted to do something that could resemble the colour quality of very early colour prints, like the Autochromes, but without the grain of the original process.


I second guessed myself. Embarassed My first answer was, it reminds me of the Dufacolor in a comparison with Kodachrome. I think you have done it!


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
visualopsins wrote:
Orio wrote:
I wanted to do something that could resemble the colour quality of very early colour prints, like the Autochromes, but without the grain of the original process.


I second guessed myself. Embarassed My first answer was, it reminds me of the Dufacolor in a comparison with Kodachrome. I think you have done it!


Wow, really you guessed it? Surprised Then I must be not far from it Smile
I think that colouring is very poetic. It does not look like photograph. It does not look like painting either. It's a genre of it's own.


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
LucisPictor wrote:

A combination of the foreground of the processed and the background of the original picture would be interesting to see.
I hope you don't mind me tinkering around with your image, Orio.


No problem Carsten!
Doing that way gets rid of the most apparent posterization. But somehow weakens the result (I mean compared to what I wanted to achieve)


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
well if that's what you wanted then fine but for me personally original looks better. Sorry


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
nurkov wrote:
well if that's what you wanted then fine but for me personally original looks better. Sorry


It's just experimentation, I don't plan to replace the old photo.
This kind of thing (like planning on colours) for me is always on the planning side. I mean that I make it beforehand,
before I start a project; and then I shoot with that project in mind.
I very very rarely change an old picture to apply to it a new "preset", it's not the way I work.


PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
visualopsins wrote:
Orio wrote:
I wanted to do something that could resemble the colour quality of very early colour prints, like the Autochromes, but without the grain of the original process.


I second guessed myself. Embarassed My first answer was, it reminds me of the Dufacolor in a comparison with Kodachrome. I think you have done it!


Wow, really you guessed it? Surprised Then I must be not far from it Smile
I think that colouring is very poetic. It does not look like photograph. It does not look like painting either. It's a genre of it's own.



Dufaycolor & Kodachrome comparison, by Alfred K Wittauer, Kodak Research Laboratories, 1939, on 2.25" x 3.25" films
from The History of Photography, by S. F. Spria (-tone Smile)


PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
LucisPictor wrote:

A combination of the foreground of the processed and the background of the original picture would be interesting to see.
I hope you don't mind me tinkering around with your image, Orio.


No problem Carsten!
Doing that way gets rid of the most apparent posterization. But somehow weakens the result (I mean compared to what I wanted to achieve)


Of course I know that you caused that effect on purpose and I understand what you aim at. But it's a little exaggerated for my taste.
Anyway, I definitely see your point and why my "solution" is not what you want.
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