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radius
Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 19 Location: italy
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: Planar 50MM: 1,4 Vs 1,7 |
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radius wrote:
What is the best Planar for my Canon 5D II? Do you have examples to show? Thank you. |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I am unable to use my Planar 1.4/50 on the 5D/5DII due to something blocking the aperture fin. The lens remains wide open even if I stop down.
On Canon crop cameras I have no problem.
The 1.4/50 is usually not as sharp as the 1.7/50 but it has other qualities (3D, bokeh, colour saturation) that make me prefer it over the 1.7
The Planar 1.7/50 can be very sharp, but there is some copy variations. I find that the newer lenses (those with the serial number begininng with "8") are the sharpest. It is my (unauthorzed) assumption that Zeiss might have improved the design of the lens rather late in the production (later than the AE/MM switch). _________________ Orio, Administrator
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I've got both the 50/1.7 and 50/1.4 in AE mount and they're both superb! I get decent 3D effects from both, but obviously the f1.4 version is more desirable for low light stuff.
I have no problems with these lenses on the Canon EOS xxD series with cheap adapters, and in fact they both work on my 5D with cheap adapters, although if you focus past infinity, the mirror will hit the glass! They perform flawlessly with my HappyPageHK adapter
Great lenses _________________ Graham - Moderator
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hexi
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1631 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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hexi wrote:
I have the 1.7 version, and although i considered the 1.4 one day, i stick to the 1.7. Same optical construction, lighter, besides cheap.
Very sharp lens and as mister Shr... sorry Manual Focus i use it one the 5D with Happy Page HK adapter _________________ Happy owner and user of :
SLR's > Contax Aria - RX
DSLR > Canon 5D
Lenses : C/Y Planar 1.4/50 - Distagon 2.8/35 - Planar 1.4/85
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nemesis101
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 2050 Location: Oregon USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:55 am Post subject: |
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nemesis101 wrote:
Hi
I have the AE 1.7 and the MM 1.4 both used on a Panasonic L1 both are great but I like the 3D (micro-contrast?) effect of the f1.4...
Doug _________________ Lenses and cameras:
Amateurs worry about equipment
Pros worry about money,
Masters worry about light. |
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Keysersoze27
Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 466 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
I have a 1.4 MM and two 1.7, one AE and very late MM .
I prefer the 1.4 in everything (better build quality ,all metal, ,bokeh , 3D, colour saturation ).
I will test the 1.4 vs the other two 1.7 in the future but my 1.4 MM is very very sharp to begin with...
@ Orio
Try to file down the aperture fin for 0.5mm only as it is obvious that it touches the plastic back of the camera,the lens will work perfectly in a Contax RTS later don't worry about it . I've got no problems at all with EMF Big_Is adapter and my 1.4.
I agree that my #88xxxxx 1.7 MM might be a little sharper than my 1.7AE but it can be a sample variation, and my MM was a NOS(new old stock).
The only obvious difference I can see is the totally different coating they have. The AE is blueish and the very late MM is reddish, so an improved coating might be the cause of a slight extra sharpness... will test it further. _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964)
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
but obviously the f1.4 version is more desirable for low light stuff.) |
is there really that much of a low light difference between 1.4 and 1.7? it's not even 1/2 a stop... _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
@ Orio
Try to file down the aperture fin for 0.5mm only as it it obvious that it touches the plastic back of the camera,the lens will work perfectly in a Contax RTS later don't worry about it . I've got no problems at all with EMF Big_Is adapter and my 1.4. |
Thanks. I am reluctant to perform surgery on my lenses. But if it's really such little thing, maybe I will try.
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
I agree that my #88xxxxx 1.7 MM might be a little sharper than my 1.7AE but it can be a sample variation, and my MM was a NOS(new old stock).
The only obvious difference I can see is the totally different coating they have. The AE is blueish and the very late MM is reddish, so an improved coating might be the cause of a slight extra sharpness... will test it further. |
I tested many 1.7/50 and all my results confirms the impression. The lenses with serial number beginning with 8x (I have an 84x and a 88x) are definitely sharper (everywhere, but especially wide open) than the older lenses with serials 5x and 6x. I still have to test the 7x.
The switch from AE to MM generally happened around serial numbers 69x for most Contax lenses. So it is my impression that the change in the Planars 1.7/50 might have happened after the AE/MM switch. But I could only "prove" it if I could test a couple of 7x lenses.
However, not all is bad with the older 1.7/50s : they have more 3D than the newer ones.
So it's basically a matter to choose between a lens that is softer wide open, very sharp stopped down, and with much 3D, and a lens that is very sharp wide open, very sharp stopped down, and with less 3D. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Seele
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 742 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
The 1.7 has plastic external parts which might not feel as good but I never find it to be at all objectionable. The only reservation is that, the markings are printed rather than engraved (or molded in) and paint-filled; I always have that phobia of rubbing the ink off. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
but obviously the f1.4 version is more desirable for low light stuff.) |
is there really that much of a low light difference between 1.4 and 1.7? it's not even 1/2 a stop... |
It's exactly half a stop isn't it? Which is the difference between 1/35th second and 1/50th second, which is critical in low light situations IMO _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
point well taken. thanks! _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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metallaro1980
Joined: 10 Sep 2009 Posts: 385 Location: West Emilia - Fidenza (PR) 43036 - Italy
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
@ Orio
Try to file down the aperture fin for 0.5mm only as it it obvious that it touches the plastic back of the camera,the lens will work perfectly in a Contax RTS later don't worry about it . I've got no problems at all with EMF Big_Is adapter and my 1.4. |
Thanks. I am reluctant to perform surgery on my lenses. But if it's really such little thing, maybe I will try.
Keysersoze27 wrote: |
I agree that my #88xxxxx 1.7 MM might be a little sharper than my 1.7AE but it can be a sample variation, and my MM was a NOS(new old stock).
The only obvious difference I can see is the totally different coating they have. The AE is blueish and the very late MM is reddish, so an improved coating might be the cause of a slight extra sharpness... will test it further. |
I tested many 1.7/50 and all my results confirms the impression. The lenses with serial number beginning with 8x (I have an 84x and a 88x) are definitely sharper (everywhere, but especially wide open) than the older lenses with serials 5x and 6x. I still have to test the 7x.
The switch from AE to MM generally happened around serial numbers 69x for most Contax lenses. So it is my impression that the change in the Planars 1.7/50 might have happened after the AE/MM switch. But I could only "prove" it if I could test a couple of 7x lenses.
However, not all is bad with the older 1.7/50s : they have more 3D than the newer ones.
So it's basically a matter to choose between a lens that is softer wide open, very sharp stopped down, and with much 3D, and a lens that is very sharp wide open, very sharp stopped down, and with less 3D. |
I have the 1.4 and 1.7 in aej version....and they work on my eos 5dii
so the old 1.7 has more 3d than new 1.7. is it right ?
and about the differences of old and new 1.4 ? _________________
Olympus OM: 28 2.8, 35 2.8, 50 1.8 Made in Japan
Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
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metallaro1980
Joined: 10 Sep 2009 Posts: 385 Location: West Emilia - Fidenza (PR) 43036 - Italy
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject: some test |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
Carl Zeiss Planar T* 1.4/50mm AEJ vs Carl Zeiss Planar T* 1.7/50mm AEJ
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4543426476/sizes/o/
corner right down
center
border left center
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/4543457630/sizes/o/
corner left up
corner left down
i prefer the 1.4...in the second link.... _________________
Olympus OM: 28 2.8, 35 2.8, 50 1.8 Made in Japan
Contax: 50 1.4, 85 1.4
Zeiss: 135 2.0 Apo-Sonnar ZE
Leica-R: 180 3.4 Apo-Telyt-R (Leitax)
Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
Canon: 50 1.8, 40 2.8
M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
Binocular: Hensoldt & Wetzlar DF 8x30
http://andreaverdi.altervista.org/ Vivaldi lives in my lenses....
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ekin
Joined: 22 Apr 2010 Posts: 3
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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ekin wrote:
i had the 50/1.4ZE but no longer have it due to money issue so instead picked up a 50/1.7 for much less.
50/1.4ZE was great although soft wide open (specially at MFD). I love the sharpness wide open of the 50/1.7 but havent really shot much landscape with it to compare.
I'm curious to try the 50/1.4 C/Y though. In any case, I have no issues with the 50/1.7 on my 5DII with big_is adapter. I can focus to infinity with no mirror issues.
however, using the same lens and same adapter on my 5D, it hits the mirror even before infinity. I also have the 100/2 Planar tthat works fine on 5DII but I can't even mount it on the 5D. Weird. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
ekin wrote: |
i had the 50/1.4ZE but no longer have it due to money issue so instead picked up a 50/1.7 for much less.
50/1.4ZE was great although soft wide open (specially at MFD). I love the sharpness wide open of the 50/1.7 but havent really shot much landscape with it to compare.
I'm curious to try the 50/1.4 C/Y though. In any case, I have no issues with the 50/1.7 on my 5DII with big_is adapter. I can focus to infinity with no mirror issues.
however, using the same lens and same adapter on my 5D, it hits the mirror even before infinity. I also have the 100/2 Planar tthat works fine on 5DII but I can't even mount it on the 5D. Weird. |
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ekin
Joined: 22 Apr 2010 Posts: 3
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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ekin wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Welcome! Nice to see you here! |
Thanks!! Been lurking but finally signed up to post lol |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
ekin wrote: |
Attila wrote: |
Welcome! Nice to see you here! |
Thanks!! Been lurking but finally signed up to post lol |
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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