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stevemark
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 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:19 pm Post subject: Pentax K 3.5/28 vs Zeiss CY 2.8/28 for landscapes |
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stevemark wrote:
As requested by kiddo, here's a quick comparison of the Pentax K 3.5/28mm vs the Zeiss Distagon CY 2.8/28mm.
It's a tough test since usually I don't recommend using vintage lenses on 50 MP FF cameras - but here you are:
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I think the results speak for themselves. While the Zeiss is very well made (and a joy to use, due to its smooth focusing and well made aperture ring), it's optical performance is pretty much on par with other comparable contemporary 28mm lenses such as the Canon nFD 2.8/28mm, the Konica AR 3.5/28mm [7/7], the Minolta MC/MD 2.8/28mm [7/7], or the Nikkor Ai 2.8/28mm.
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Thanks for your test, very valuable! |
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kiddo
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kiddo wrote:
thanks for clarifying this , it´s impressive how well k version is dealing on high res sensor; if i recall, philipreeve did the test on 24mp sensor, but i assume that shouldn´t make so much difference. Is your zeiss lens the latest version? as i understand these ones should be somehow better than the earlier one. |
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Doc Sharptail
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
I think that a far more fair test would be to put the pentax up against the nikkor 28 f3.5 A/i, which has some sharpness improvement over the nikkor f2.8. In some cases, a fast lens does not always equate to image quality...
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I think this is the third mis-matched maximum apertures lenses test I've seen this week. Am I missing something, or is there some specific point to running such tests? Not trying to be mean or rude- I just don't get the point.
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I had a contax distagon 28mm 2.8. I sold it. I didn't do a side by side test like this, but my olympus OM 28 f2 and vivitar series 1 28mm 1.8 both just seemed better.
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stevemark
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| kiddo wrote: |
| thanks for clarifying this , it´s impressive how well k version is dealing on high res sensor; if i recall, philipreeve did the test on 24mp sensor, but i assume that shouldn´t make so much difference. Is your zeiss lens the latest version? as i understand these ones should be somehow better than the earlier one. |
I'm often a bit surprised about the differences seen between the same lens @ 24 MP vs @ 50 MP class sensors. I don't know whether there are different optical computations of the CY 2.8/28mm (I suspect not), but there may be differences when it come to coating. Certainly Zeiss themself has published only one Data Sheet / MTF for the CY distagon 2.8/28:
https://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/consumer-products/downloads/historical-products/photography/contax-yashica/en/datasheet-zeiss-distagon-2828-en.pdf
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I think this is the third mis-matched maximum apertures lenses test I've seen this week. Am I missing something, or is there some specific point to running such tests? Not trying to be mean or rude- I just don't get the point.
-D.S. |
I just was asked by kiddo whether the Pentax K 3.5/28 would be better than the Zeiss CY 2.8/28 - he owns the Zeiss and wants to know if getting a Pentax K would be meaningful. That said, among the Minolta 28mm lenses fo SR mount, the latest MD-III 2/28mm seems to be the best across the range. Sometimes comparing f2.0, f2.8 and f3.5 lenses side-by-side makes sense, especially if (as in this case) the f2.0 version is small and rather lightweight. And it even has floating focusing ...
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| stevemark wrote: |
| kiddo wrote: |
| thanks for clarifying this , it´s impressive how well k version is dealing on high res sensor; if i recall, philipreeve did the test on 24mp sensor, but i assume that shouldn´t make so much difference. Is your zeiss lens the latest version? as i understand these ones should be somehow better than the earlier one. |
I'm often a bit surprised about the differences seen between the same lens @ 24 MP vs @ 50 MP class sensors. I don't know whether there are different optical computations of the CY 2.8/28mm (I suspect not), but there may be differences when it come to coating. Certainly Zeiss themself has published only one Data Sheet / MTF for the CY distagon 2.8/28:
https://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/consumer-products/downloads/historical-products/photography/contax-yashica/en/datasheet-zeiss-distagon-2828-en.pdf
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I think this is the third mis-matched maximum apertures lenses test I've seen this week. Am I missing something, or is there some specific point to running such tests? Not trying to be mean or rude- I just don't get the point.
-D.S. |
I just was asked by kiddo whether the Pentax K 3.5/28 would be better than the Zeiss CY 2.8/28 - he owns the Zeiss and wants to know if getting a Pentax K would be meaningful. That said, among the Minolta 28mm lenses fo SR mount, the latest MD-III 2/28mm seems to be the best across the range. Sometimes comparing f2.0, f2.8 and f3.5 lenses side-by-side makes sense, especially if (as in this case) the f2.0 version is small and rather lightweight. And it even has floating focusing ...
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Thanks for the clarification. some of us don't have a clue.... 
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kiddo
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kiddo wrote:
| stevemark wrote: |
| kiddo wrote: |
| thanks for clarifying this , it´s impressive how well k version is dealing on high res sensor; if i recall, philipreeve did the test on 24mp sensor, but i assume that shouldn´t make so much difference. Is your zeiss lens the latest version? as i understand these ones should be somehow better than the earlier one. |
I'm often a bit surprised about the differences seen between the same lens @ 24 MP vs @ 50 MP class sensors. I don't know whether there are different optical computations of the CY 2.8/28mm (I suspect not), but there may be differences when it come to coating. Certainly Zeiss themself has published only one Data Sheet / MTF for the CY distagon 2.8/28:
https://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/consumer-products/downloads/historical-products/photography/contax-yashica/en/datasheet-zeiss-distagon-2828-en.pdf
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I think this is the third mis-matched maximum apertures lenses test I've seen this week. Am I missing something, or is there some specific point to running such tests? Not trying to be mean or rude- I just don't get the point.
-D.S. |
I just was asked by kiddo whether the Pentax K 3.5/28 would be better than the Zeiss CY 2.8/28 - he owns the Zeiss and wants to know if getting a Pentax K would be meaningful. That said, among the Minolta 28mm lenses fo SR mount, the latest MD-III 2/28mm seems to be the best across the range. Sometimes comparing f2.0, f2.8 and f3.5 lenses side-by-side makes sense, especially if (as in this case) the f2.0 version is small and rather lightweight. And it even has floating focusing ...
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in size and weight, md minolta 28mm f2 it should be lighter, right? do you think this last md computation would give same result as pentax k 3.5? |
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Noritar
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| I had a contax distagon 28mm 2.8. I sold it. I didn't do a side by side test like this, but my olympus OM 28 f2 and vivitar series 1 28mm 1.8 both just seemed better. |
Do you have a favorite between the Zuiko and Vivitar? |
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BrianSVP
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BrianSVP wrote:
Just jumping in here - I've had both but never at the same time, so I haven't been able to do a side-by-side either, but my impression was the Zuiko had deeper colors and sharper corners stopped down, while the Viv had better microcontrast and of course the very slightly wider max aperture (actually a 1.9). The Viv also tends to vividly colorful flares like crazy, which can be a good or a bad thing, depending on the situation. Both are plenty sharp at the center of the frame.
The Zuiko's probably the better all-arounder, but the Viv is a very fun lens, particularly if you like out-of-the-ordinary looks.
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| I had a contax distagon 28mm 2.8. I sold it. I didn't do a side by side test like this, but my olympus OM 28 f2 and vivitar series 1 28mm 1.8 both just seemed better. |
Do you have a favorite between the Zuiko and Vivitar? |
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Noritar
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| but the Viv is a very fun |
Who doesn't love fun?
I haven't had either but I get the impression the Vivitar would be great for environmental portraits and general close up having fun pics. The unusual flare you mention could be interesting for video. Probably the Zuiko is the one to have, stopped down, on a tripod or for anything technical.
I want both, of course. But I don't buy Zuikos. I can't afford to open that financial can of worms. I already know which ones I want and I missed the boat. |
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jamaeolus
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jamaeolus wrote:
They seem close optically. The edge might just go to the vivitar. But the oly is much smaller and lighter and I keep several other Oly's in my day to day bag. Simplifies adapter issues so it gets more use.
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lumens pixel wrote:
A good contender for the Pentax could be the 5/5 Minolta 3,5 28. Nothing special at 3,5 but interesting afterwards.
Cheap and easy to find.
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I also have a Zuiko 28mm f2.8 and it's not very good on my Sony A7. On film there are no issues but on the Sony it has very bad edge performance. My Canon FD 28mm f/2.8 on the other hand is much better. |
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caspert79
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
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| I also have a Zuiko 28mm f2.8 and it's not very good on my Sony A7. On film there are no issues but on the Sony it has very bad edge performance. My Canon FD 28mm f/2.8 on the other hand is much better. |
The Zuiko 28/3.5 has very good corner performance. |
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blotafton
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blotafton wrote:
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| I also have a Zuiko 28mm f2.8 and it's not very good on my Sony A7. On film there are no issues but on the Sony it has very bad edge performance. My Canon FD 28mm f/2.8 on the other hand is much better. |
The Zuiko 28/3.5 has very good corner performance. |
Yeah I saw your test and it seems to be pretty good.
I got the f2.8 version after seeing good film samples and didn't realize that it would be such a big difference on digital. |
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caspert79
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caspert79 wrote:
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| I also have a Zuiko 28mm f2.8 and it's not very good on my Sony A7. On film there are no issues but on the Sony it has very bad edge performance. My Canon FD 28mm f/2.8 on the other hand is much better. |
The Zuiko 28/3.5 has very good corner performance. |
Yeah I saw your test and it seems to be pretty good.
I got the f2.8 version after seeing good film samples and didn't realize that it would be such a big difference on digital. |
Zuiko lenses are a mixed bag if you asked me. |
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BrianSVP
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BrianSVP wrote:
Sensor stack thickness issue? Pretty common on the early Sony FF A7 range.
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| I also have a Zuiko 28mm f2.8 and it's not very good on my Sony A7. On film there are no issues but on the Sony it has very bad edge performance. My Canon FD 28mm f/2.8 on the other hand is much better. |
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blotafton wrote:
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Sensor stack thickness issue? Pretty common on the early Sony FF A7 range.
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| I also have a Zuiko 28mm f2.8 and it's not very good on my Sony A7. On film there are no issues but on the Sony it has very bad edge performance. My Canon FD 28mm f/2.8 on the other hand is much better. |
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Yes probably. More usually an issue with range finder lenses. |
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kiddo wrote:
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my distagon is a pretty worn one, not a perfect lens at all, but is not too bad (24mp sony), hopefully i will able to test it these days against the k 28mm 3.5 (i´m not sure the last shot i took with this lens or yashica 55mm macro 2.8, i would guess it was distagon) |
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Doc Sharptail
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
Now that is a performer! (First frame in kiddo's post).
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i especially took that shot to test the lens , in close focus distance, is doing well, but i feel that on infinity, it is missing some details (i blame it to the worn condition of the lens, but it might not be the case) |
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Doc Sharptail
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
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| but i feel that on infinity, it is missing some details (i blame it to the worn condition of the lens, but it might not be the case) |
This has been my experience with 28's in general. Exception was the A/I nikkor 28 mm f 3.5 I gifted to my sister.
There was one vivitar 28 2.8 here that was all around nice, but it got traded off for nikon stuff.
-D.S.
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| Thanks for your test, very valuable! |
Yes! Thank you @stevemark!
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Anybody know what kind of tree is that? Similar to our local Madrone...
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i had a look , it might be Platanus x hispanica |
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