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duartix
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 Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Panasonic Lumix DMC-G1, who is going for it? |
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duartix wrote:
With a 1.4x magnification viewfinder (equivalent to 0.7x on a 35mm camera / 50mm lens) this looks like a dream for MF.
So, how many of you have got this baby on your wish list, or already in your bag? |
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Puplet
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Puplet wrote:
Depends on how good the electronic viewfinder is ... the sample images on the web so far look really nice though... |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
I think it will be priced right and sure, I will take one.
It will be a while before the adapters are on the market for Leica Ltm and L.
As well as C-mount and possibly Contax RF.
This body is too small for reflex lenses IMHO. RF lenses are better for such a camera.
Also Panasonic will likely not offer the body only at introduction.
There is no chance of me buying a kit with AF lens.
Focus with MF will be comparable to live view focus on a canon but faster.
It is an exciting development. Certainly it will take some time to really get an idea o how things will go.
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Orio wrote:
Price should be around 800 USD.
I hope this will open the door to real digital rangefinders priced reasonably.
However I am not going for this one. The sensor size is too small for my taste. If I had to buy a digital rangefinder I would go for a used Epson RD
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A G Photography
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| The sensor size is too small for my taste. |
Don't understimate the 3/4 sensor, the difference in size (and performance) respect to an APSc is a lot smaller than from a FF 35mm and an APSc.
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
| A G Photography wrote: |
| Orio wrote: |
| The sensor size is too small for my taste. |
Don't understimate the 3/4 sensor, the difference in size (and performance) respect to an APSc is a lot smaller than from a FF 35mm and an APSc. |
Don't know if I understood correctly or wrongly, but I think this sensor has the same proportions of the 4/3, but it is smaller?
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
You have it right Orio.
It is the same size 2x crop factor.
But 20mm register should improve IQ over standard 4/3 at least in theory with non retrofocus lenses.
Of course that last bit is for others as you know this.
I would consider one at $500 for a body only not a penny more.
It would be a compact camera for tough conditions for me.
Also the prospect of using all lenses is cool.
There are literally no limits to what can be mounted on this body.
A toy maybe rather than a tool 
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mjkerpan
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mjkerpan wrote:
The 2x crop factor is really what kills this for me. The big advantage of a body like this over, say, a Canon DSLR is that rangefinder lenses can be easily adapted, yet rangefinders are best known for their wide angle lenses, which have a sad tendency to become normal or even telephoto lenses when mounted on a 4/3 body... A EVF camera with a 20mm flange distance and a full-frame (or at least a 1.3x) sensor would be a MUCH better camera for rangefinder lenses. |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
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But 20mm register should improve IQ over standard 4/3 at least in theory with non retrofocus lenses.
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I am pretty sure it will produce better images than any digital SLR.
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
I see what Attila, Allesansdro, VGR and others get from the standard 4/3 and it is really very excellent.
This camera can only be better.
If the EVF is bright, clear, and refreshes quickly.....this could be a killer.
Not a replacement for the RD1 or 5D (ever) but a nice compliment.
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
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I am pretty sure it will produce better images than any digital SLR. |
I'm sure the IQ will be great, but I would never buy a Biogon 2/35 (my dream lens) to have it transformed into a 70mm lens.  
Until the sensor becomes at least something like the Nikons (1.3x), I'll stick with film.
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
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I am pretty sure it will produce better images than any digital SLR. |
I'm sure the IQ will be great, but I would never buy a Biogon 2/35 (my dream lens) to have it transformed into a 70mm lens.
Until the sensor becomes at least something like the Nikons (1.3x), I'll stick with film. |
That is right this camera will never be wide angle camera due crop sensor.
I still keep myself on slides.
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A G Photography
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| Attila wrote: |
I am pretty sure it will produce better images than any digital SLR. |
I'm sure the IQ will be great, but I would never buy a Biogon 2/35 (my dream lens) to have it transformed into a 70mm lens.
Until the sensor becomes at least something like the Nikons (1.3x), I'll stick with film. |
Unfortunately Nikons APSc are 1.5x as well  so a Biogon would become a normal, 1.3x are Canon 1D (28x19 mm) and Leica M8 (27x18).
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CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
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duartix
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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duartix wrote:
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| That is right this camera will never be wide angle camera due crop sensor. |
Of course it will, just not MF. Am I talking sacrilege?
There is already a 7-14 F4 on the lensmap. I'm just praying it will cost less than half of the Olympus ZD 7-14... |
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Attila wrote:
I never care AF lenses I think it will be expensive and never reach Voigtlander 15mm + Velvia quality.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
I jus' dunno about the Panasonic...I'd hate to have someone call out: "there
goes that lummox with the Lumix again!"  |
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Puplet
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Puplet wrote:
If only Leica was making an identical model that was twice the price?  |
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mkleywegt wrote:
will wait for the oly's.
i'll also expect a mayor price drop after couple of months. as e-400 was priced almost 1000 at it's introduction. (e410 was better for half price) |
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Katastrofo wrote:
The Oly looks way cooler, too, very retro. |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
I agree the Oly looks cooler.
It seems like it will not have a direct view EVF.
The last thing that I want is to focus exclusively on a preview screen like a p&s camera
Maybe there is a direct EVF on the Oly. It does not look like it in the pics of the prototype 
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Katastrofo wrote:
There will be optical viewfinders for the hotshoe, isn't that wonderful? It
will look rill rangefindery... |
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duartix
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duartix wrote:
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| There will be optical viewfinders for the hotshoe, isn't that wonderful? |
Optical? Are you sure?
I would really prefer an Olympus sensor stabilized system, but without a strong MF enhancer I'm with Panasonic all the way. |
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poilu wrote:
a EVF is efficient for use manual lenses stopped down. you can use a lens at f8 or more without the darkening of optical viewfinder on reflex
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etorix wrote:
hm .. i went for a G1 this year
paid 60gbp for a used copy and got Nikon + Canon adapters for my existing glass
which got me in the game without risking much
seems works well, i like it, will upgrade to a model w/video capability when funds permit
i know i know this is zombie thread, but its so great to read ppls first impressions, actually very useful |
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etorix
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etorix wrote:
i'm seriously considering the G3 next, soon
anyone got one?
its got 16mp and video, and its affordable |
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