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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:57 am    Post subject: No digital photography without a screen... Reply with quote
Hi,

I know many of my un-rawtised pics suck in light amount and white balance.

Why ? Mainly because I don"t have any decent screen attached to my computer : I mostly use cheap laptops, so their LCD screens are dark, not well contrasted and with not really accurate color rendering.

Now that I have screewed a finger in gears (as we used to say in french), I have to improve my digital workflow, first buying a decent LCD screen.

Any recommendations my dear friends ?

Thanks


PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Personally I am a mac fiend. I find my 24 inch iMac is perfect for my uses. I do the colour profiling with Optix. Usually every other month. I am a firm believer in the colour profiling for screens


patrickh


PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
patrickh wrote:
Personally I am a mac fiend. I find my 24 inch iMac is perfect for my uses. I do the colour profiling with Optix. Usually every other month. I am a firm believer in the colour profiling for screens

You are right, good screen, good printer, ... are nothing if not profiled. Actually I have a pretty bad screen Wink


PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I work in the graphics industry so I know what I'm saying: if you want professional quality, unless you can afford a truly top-of-the-line LCD monitor (just to make it clear: nothing of what you can normally find in consumer stores), tube monitors are still the way to go to obtain professional quality at acceptable prices. But there, too, do not buy anything below the 500 Euros. (for LCD monitors the threshold for acceptable professional quality is much higher, a very minimum of 1000 Euros).


PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Seymore wrote:
@ Orio... (down a slightly different path with this question)
Can you dual monitor with an LCD and CRT? Is there any thing to consider with a setup like this?


I have no idea, Chris, sorry.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Seymore wrote:
Can you dual monitor with an LCD and CRT? Is there any thing to consider with a setup like this?


Yes you can, with most of moden Mulisync CRT, if your OS and your Video Card support dual screen setup.

Orio: I don't pretend to look for professionnal results, but for my needs, I have see some LCD monitors tests taht sounds nice, even if some don't break the 500 Euros roof.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Flor27 wrote:

Orio: I don't pretend to look for professionnal results, but for my needs, I have see some LCD monitors tests taht sounds nice, even if some don't break the 500 Euros roof.


Well, I don't know the quality of your current monitor and I don't know what do you expect from your new monitor, so I spoke generically. LCD monitors that are for sale on the big chains, are optimized for office work. They have slow reaction times and the quality of the image is just average. They're ok for doing Word and Excel that's what they're made for. But advanced graphic users usually have higher requirements.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Today I don't think we need high end monitor.
In the past when I scanned negative it was more important to get good color balance.
Now my canon 400d give me very good color and I don't have to touch them.
If you buy a 2000e eizo monitor you will have better color but I think people here would prefer 100 lens of 20 euros for this price Rolling Eyes
Of course I can see small difference in color when I print but it's different technologies and it is impossible to have exact same screen/print
If you use adobe gamma and can see all the range of my gray band it's ok


PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
There's a lot of things that can improve with high quality monitors, not only colour.
A list:
- durability over time with the less possible alteration in performance: a high quality monitor after three years will still be quite perfect, a low quality one that started good will offer near to trash performance.
- constant performance from just turned on to after many hours of work
- faster redraw
- higher refresh
- quality of components to ensure relaxing vision
- durability of pixels (in case of LCD monitors)
- availability of compatibility with high res colour profiles such as Adobe RGB (most if not all consumer monitors are not compatible with Adobe RGB)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Seymore wrote:
@ Orio... (down a slightly different path with this question)

Can you dual monitor with an LCD and CRT? Is there any thing to consider with a setup like this?


Yes but depending on the OS it might not allow the two screens to have different color profles. in which case you need to have a 'profiled side' for image viewing and an 'unprofiled/misprofiled' side for control panels etc.


PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:

If you use adobe gamma and can see all the range of my gray band it's ok

I have carefully disabled adobe gamma Smile
And yes I can see all the steps in your grey wedge clearly.

But its not a cheap laptop (provided by work, not my own - Dell Precision M90).


PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I use a Fujitsu Siemens LCD ScaleoView W19-1 (16:9) and I am satisfied with it. I adjusted it with internal sliders and then a friend on mine came with his pro-calibrating-profiling-tool and this didn't change anything. Wink
I guess I was lucky.

And both of my laptops show your greyscale perfectly. My Acer laptop LCD is just a bit brighter and sharper than my Medion laptop LCD. So pictures look very sharp and bright on the ACER and the Scaleo but just OK on the Medion. I have to keep that in mind. (The Medion is my internet laptop.)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You shout be sure not to buy a monitor based on TN technology. A TN monitor has only 6 bit coulors. Of couse it will compensate the rest, but it will never be good to pichure or other grafic work.

You shout look into S-IPS, PVA or MVA monitors.

Edit: You may also want to buy a hardware calibrator like Spyder.
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