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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ManualFocus-G wrote:
It's a very capable lens Smile I have the slightly newer, but way more beat up S-C version kindly passed to me by member Rawhead...not sure it's coated at all anymore to be honest Laughing


The OP has the NIKKOR-S which is single coated. The NIKKOR-S･C version is multicoated. Even if you think that you've lost the coating on the front of the front element (and maybe on the back of the back element) there are eight internal surfaces.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
sichko wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote:
It's a very capable lens Smile I have the slightly newer, but way more beat up S-C version kindly passed to me by member Rawhead...not sure it's coated at all anymore to be honest Laughing


The OP has the NIKKOR-S which is single coated. The NIKKOR-S･C version is multicoated. Even if you think that you've lost the coating on the front of the front element (and maybe on the back of the back element) there are eight internal surfaces.

Lifted from the MIR website:

By the end of 1959 this mysterious lens was introduced. Some people believe that this lens, having 7 elements in 5 groups, wasn't produced by Nikon itself. This lens had a relatively short life. In less than 2 years it disappeared from the market. Total production is a mere 39,000 lenses, though it has variations, mainly in its markings on the distance scale. There are lenses with a scale in metres or in inches ......... or in both metres and inches! In March 1962 its ‘sister’ came on the market. A version of this lens has a "Patent Pending" inscribed on the metal lens barrel.

7 elements in 5 groups so not a Sonnar design. Sonnars will usually be medium tele lenses on 35mm SLRs due to the register distance needed. RF lenses of course can be shorter FLs.

Last edited by martinsmith99 on Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:21 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ManualFocus-G wrote:
It's a very capable lens Smile I have the slightly newer, but way more beat up S-C version kindly passed to me by member Rawhead...not sure it's coated at all anymore to be honest Laughing

Works for me though Smile

http://forum.mflenses.com/otters-with-nikkor-s-c-50-1-4-and-tamron-sp-19ah-t24716.html


Lens coatings don't fall off or evaporate. It's probably just fine!


PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
FluffPuppy wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote:
It's a very capable lens Smile I have the slightly newer, but way more beat up S-C version kindly passed to me by member Rawhead...not sure it's coated at all anymore to be honest Laughing

Works for me though Smile

http://forum.mflenses.com/otters-with-nikkor-s-c-50-1-4-and-tamron-sp-19ah-t24716.html


Lens coatings don't fall off or evaporate. It's probably just fine!

But they can be removed with over-zealous cleaning techniques. Graham mentioned his had a hard life.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
martinsmith99 wrote:
FluffPuppy wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote:
It's a very capable lens Smile I have the slightly newer, but way more beat up S-C version kindly passed to me by member Rawhead...not sure it's coated at all anymore to be honest Laughing

Works for me though Smile

http://forum.mflenses.com/otters-with-nikkor-s-c-50-1-4-and-tamron-sp-19ah-t24716.html


Lens coatings don't fall off or evaporate. It's probably just fine!

But they can be removed with over-zealous cleaning techniques. Graham mentioned his had a hard life.


The rear element has more scratches than a dog with fleas, but I guess as Sichko pointed out, the other elements are probably coated too Smile

Last edited by ManualFocus-G on Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:31 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ManualFocus-G wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote:
FluffPuppy wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote:
It's a very capable lens Smile I have the slightly newer, but way more beat up S-C version kindly passed to me by member Rawhead...not sure it's coated at all anymore to be honest Laughing

Works for me though Smile

http://forum.mflenses.com/otters-with-nikkor-s-c-50-1-4-and-tamron-sp-19ah-t24716.html


Lens coatings don't fall off or evaporate. It's probably just fine!

But they can be removed with over-zealous cleaning techniques. Graham mentioned his had a hard life.


The rear element has more scratches than a dog with fleas, but I guess as Sickho pointed out, the other elements are probably coated too Smile


The outer surfaces of front and rear elements of lenses are usually given extra-hard coatings.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
FluffPuppy wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote:
FluffPuppy wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote:
It's a very capable lens Smile I have the slightly newer, but way more beat up S-C version kindly passed to me by member Rawhead...not sure it's coated at all anymore to be honest Laughing

Works for me though Smile

http://forum.mflenses.com/otters-with-nikkor-s-c-50-1-4-and-tamron-sp-19ah-t24716.html


Lens coatings don't fall off or evaporate. It's probably just fine!

But they can be removed with over-zealous cleaning techniques. Graham mentioned his had a hard life.


The rear element has more scratches than a dog with fleas, but I guess as Sickho pointed out, the other elements are probably coated too Smile


The outer surfaces of front and rear elements of lenses are usually given extra-hard coatings.


I'm sure, but that doesn't help the patches with no coating left at all Laughing

Anyway, we're way off topic, if anyone has anything to add about the single coated version, feel free to post the info here.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ManualFocus-G wrote:
FluffPuppy wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote:
FluffPuppy wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote:
It's a very capable lens Smile I have the slightly newer, but way more beat up S-C version kindly passed to me by member Rawhead...not sure it's coated at all anymore to be honest Laughing

Works for me though Smile

http://forum.mflenses.com/otters-with-nikkor-s-c-50-1-4-and-tamron-sp-19ah-t24716.html


Lens coatings don't fall off or evaporate. It's probably just fine!

But they can be removed with over-zealous cleaning techniques. Graham mentioned his had a hard life.


The rear element has more scratches than a dog with fleas, but I guess as Sickho pointed out, the other elements are probably coated too Smile


The outer surfaces of front and rear elements of lenses are usually given extra-hard coatings.


I'm sure, but that doesn't help the patches with no coating left at all Laughing

Anyway, we're way off topic, if anyone has anything to add about the single coated version, feel free to post the info here.


Well the best info about it is in tale 44 on the Nikon site. It is very informative.

http://imaging.nikon.com/history/nikkor/44/index.htm


PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
martinsmith99 wrote:
sichko wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote:
It's a very capable lens Smile I have the slightly newer, but way more beat up S-C version kindly passed to me by member Rawhead...not sure it's coated at all anymore to be honest Laughing


The OP has the NIKKOR-S which is single coated. The NIKKOR-S･C version is multicoated. Even if you think that you've lost the coating on the front of the front element (and maybe on the back of the back element) there are eight internal surfaces.

Lifted from the MIR website:

By the end of 1959 this mysterious lens was introduced. Some people believe that this lens, having 7 elements in 5 groups, wasn't produced by Nikon itself. This lens had a relatively short life. In less than 2 years it disappeared from the market. Total production is a mere 39,000 lenses, though it has variations, mainly in its markings on the distance scale. There are lenses with a scale in metres or in inches ......... or in both metres and inches! In March 1962 its ‘sister’ came on the market. A version of this lens has a "Patent Pending" inscribed on the metal lens barrel.

This relates to the Nikkor-S Auto 1:1.4 f=5.8cm. The OP's lens is a 50 mm lens.

Quote:
7 elements in 5 groups so not a Sonnar design. Sonnars will usually be medium tele lenses on 35mm SLRs due to the register distance needed. RF lenses of course can be shorter FLs.

Klaus asked if the OP's lens was a Sonnar. I gave him a link to the Nikon site which describes it as a 7/5 Gauss. The same site also describes a 6/3 Sonnar - which is a rangefinder lens. The link was given in my first post in this thread.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
sichko wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote:
sichko wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote:
It's a very capable lens Smile I have the slightly newer, but way more beat up S-C version kindly passed to me by member Rawhead...not sure it's coated at all anymore to be honest Laughing


The OP has the NIKKOR-S which is single coated. The NIKKOR-S･C version is multicoated. Even if you think that you've lost the coating on the front of the front element (and maybe on the back of the back element) there are eight internal surfaces.

Lifted from the MIR website:

By the end of 1959 this mysterious lens was introduced. Some people believe that this lens, having 7 elements in 5 groups, wasn't produced by Nikon itself. This lens had a relatively short life. In less than 2 years it disappeared from the market. Total production is a mere 39,000 lenses, though it has variations, mainly in its markings on the distance scale. There are lenses with a scale in metres or in inches ......... or in both metres and inches! In March 1962 its ‘sister’ came on the market. A version of this lens has a "Patent Pending" inscribed on the metal lens barrel.

This relates to the Nikkor-S Auto 1:1.4 f=5.8cm. The OP's lens is a 50 mm lens.

Quote:
7 elements in 5 groups so not a Sonnar design. Sonnars will usually be medium tele lenses on 35mm SLRs due to the register distance needed. RF lenses of course can be shorter FLs.

Klaus asked if the OP's lens was a Sonnar. I gave him a link to the Nikon site which describes it as a 7/5 Gauss. The same site also describes a 6/3 Sonnar - which is a rangefinder lens. The link was given in my first post in this thread.


I agree. Sonnars today (for SLRs) are tele designs having 4 or 5 elements.


PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
hi joy division, nice shot you made!

I have this lens, This lens is pretty good I think, acceptable sharpness at wide open.
here some pictures that I took using this lens:


bokeh@F1.4, d60 straight from camera


d60, F/1.4, 1/10s, tripod, straight from camera


d60, F/5.6, 1/30s, handheld.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bokeh is nice, and the last photo of motorbike is awesome.
How far did he make it? Very Happy


PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
Wasn't that the one with a Sonnar lens design?


FluffPuppy wrote:
..........
Klaus asked if the OP's lens was a Sonnar. I gave him a link to the Nikon site which describes it as a 7/5 Gauss. The same site also describes a 6/3 Sonnar - which is a rangefinder lens.


The Nikkor Nippon Koagku SC f1.4 ( and also f2 HC ) rangefinder lenses are Sonnars. ( as far as I know Takumar f2/58 still is the only known Sonnar normal SLR lens ) The f1.4 was optimized and is famed for it's close up, wide open abilities and therefore is traded for a premium ( the reason why I haven't yet bought any though I have been looking for one since a while Wink ) see: http://www.dantestella.com/technical/nikoleic.html

about Nikkor Sonnars, specially 50mm lenses: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94432
Sonnar Nikkors are: RF: 50/2, 50/1.5, 50/1.4 (all versions), 85/2, 85/1.5, 105/2.5, 135/4, 135/3.5
F: early 105/2.5

listing Sonnar RF lenses: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69170

referring to the Nikkor-S Auto Nippon Kogaku 50/1.4 of the OP, like most f1.4/50mm it's a good lens, however sharpness of my copy wide open falls behind all my other f1.4/50, that is all Takumar versions, Pentax M and Rokkor MC ( considering that it's from one of the 'big guys', for me a bit disappointing, or better I think of the others to be exceptionally good? )


PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hoanpham wrote:
Bokeh is nice, and the last photo of motorbike is awesome.
How far did he make it? Very Happy

Laughing
i dont know for sure, texting while driving a motorcycle, maybe he has more eyes than two Laughing
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