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mo
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 Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:00 am Post subject: New toy..Biotar 2/58 |
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mo wrote:
Very happy with this little buy for $23au including postage.There are some faults and I have no idea how to use the lens ie to stop down.Do you rotate the front ring by pulling down on it changing it to the F stop desired and waiting until it clicks into place?When turning this ring it seems to grab and you see the blades go from large to small then sometimes you do not see the blades until you hit the pin at the back. It feels like this F stop ring is spring loaded?
The glass is less than perfect as you will see on the photos.I would like some advice on how to revive this lens if it is possible.I am very happy regardless to just have a biotar and have the opportunity to see how it works and takes images....even if the images are not up to scratch.
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dude163
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:25 am Post subject: |
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dude163 wrote:
Does it have an auto/manual switch? if its in auto mode I think it will only step down if the pin is pushed int
Then again, Ive never owned a preset lens yet, it looks to be in good shape , I have a Helio 44m-6 that has some cleaning marks and it still takes great photos
Im sure the locals will have better advice once they see your post 
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Kathmandu wrote:
Nice purchase-I read about it
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xjjohnno
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:55 am Post subject: |
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xjjohnno wrote:
Aperture control is from the front knurled rim. Is it the 17 blade version like mine?
I think the front element can be accessed by removing the front name plate. Rear elements will need a lens spanner. Enjoy and if it cleans up ok you scored a great deal. |
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mo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:11 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Thanks guys
Mine is the semi automatic and has 10 blades M42. The marks inside look like poor cleaning and I hope I am able to just remove the front element.I don't want to tackle the spring set up as it feels like a challenge just by changing the aperture 
@Kathmandu
Wow thanks for the links to the discussions it saved me a lot of pain trying to work it out and stressing if I have done the wrong thing with changing the aperture and breaking it 
Now I know how to set the aperture I will take it out and give it a whirl...lousy overcast,hazy day so lets see what happens. 
@John have you posted a pick of that lens?Sounds interesting.
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mo
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mo wrote:
The aperture does take a lot of patience but not a turn off.Turning the stiff focus also can be hard work but taking it slowly and not shooting wildlife or moving objects it again does not turn me off of using this lens.Amazed at the image quality considering the lens coating and marks.I did PP a little just for the contrast
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:47 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
congrats! your first Zeiss 
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mo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:19 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Well 2nd including the 2/50 pancolar Thanks!
Here is another couple.....again small PP(I have to go back too these flowers with the macro tak)
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symphonic wrote:
Wow, those yellow flowers are magnificent!
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mo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Yes they surprised me when I saw them on the screen.Is a Zeiss lens really this different from other lenses in producing images?...and would you believe I was taking these while a wind was blowing...in between gusts of course.
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dude163
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dude163 wrote:
Holy Cow!
those yellow flowers look 3d!
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LucisPictor wrote:
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Holy Cow!
those yellow flowers look 3d! |
Indeed they do!!
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my_photography wrote:
Lovely flowers and congrats on your new toy. By the way, you got it at a very good price.
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NikonD wrote:
amazing flowers, color goes right thorugh your eyes.... |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Mo - Great and love the images so far. Hopefully you have an adapter with the stopdown flange included? The lens is quite easy to take apart and you need 3 hands to re-assemble, but mine also had a sticky focus which I relubed and now it is fine.
Get a lens hood to preven flare and try it wide open in backlit, busygrounds to get some swirlies.
A bit like this....
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Attila wrote:
Congrats MO!
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overmywaders wrote:
Mo,
Those flowers are fantastic, but some of the other shots are real keepers as well!
I just cleaned my CZJ Biotar 2/58 M42 last night. I couldn't turn the focus without using some acetone to free it for a moment. The elements had a little bit of internal dust and mold, but were quickly sparkling. The focus is now smooth with some white lithium grease. Very easy to pull the lenses out from the rear. What I found interesting was that my Biotar had two title rings on the front - one has just the Jena and a 422xxxx serial number, while the one on top had Carl Zeiss Jena and a 472xxxx serial number. I had to remove the top one to make room for a 49mm filter.
Great lens, I like mine now that it can focus. The colors are exceptional.
Congrats.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
I'm happy for you Moïra !
Your flowers are fantastic !!!
You know what ?
This week I should receive a Pentacon body with a silver Biotar 2/58 mounted on it.
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Univer wrote:
Congratulations! It can be uniquely satisfying to achieve a wonderful result with a less-than-perfect lens.
Oh, and if I were able to take a flower shot like that with a dirty lens, I'm not sure I would clean it. Just beautiful.
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mo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
 Thanks everyone...I am extremely happy with this lens.I have obtained a quote to get it overhauled...but I am having 2nd thoughts on getting the glass cleaned as you can see it works quite well in its present condition....now I have it I don't want to break it.The focusing would be the only issue.
Look forward to seeing your results Olivier
@overmywaders,Interesting double name plate?? I wonder if that is common.
Forgot to say Martin...I can't wait till I can do the swirly background,I have the original Pentax adapter...not sure if that does what you mentioned(I am still unsure of these different adapters,I am a visual type person unless I see it I can not picture what it looks like )
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CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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