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RAART
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 Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:48 am Post subject: Need help identifying lens "Dimension 135mm f3.5" |
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RAART wrote:
I need help identifying this lens. I found on the net also the matching one too however I do not know also nothing about it too. Does someone here has some practical experience with this one? Maybe test shoots.
The lens has on it the following: Dimension f=135mm 1:3.5 No. 730373 Made in Japan
I was thinking that it was made by Komine but didn't find anything... 
Prinzflex 135mm 3.5 looks exactly like one I have...
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pentax-M42-135mm-f3-5-Prinzflex-Auto-Reflex-Lens-Stock-861-721549-/300751816880
Here are pictures attached:
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ForenSeil
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:13 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
I had the same lens with an "Weltblick" label
I guess it's Cosina but I'm not sure at all
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Mos6502
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
It looks like it shares details with the 23mm lens I just got: http://forum.mflenses.com/those-3-5-23mm-lenses-t53707.html
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
It could be said that rear is very similar to Tomioka 100mm clones (check last photo on that page where 4x screw is nicely visible): http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=41307&start=15
Question still remains: is Tomioka responsible just for the optics inside the lens and if so for which lenses of the series? Or did Tomioka produce whole series including lens body.
In this series we can easily include Revuenon 3.5/200mm with leather grip: http://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_2008.html
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Nisseliten
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Nisseliten wrote:
It looks a lot like my 135/3.5 konicas, But then again they are both 135/3.5.
But both the focus scale and markings are almost identical. But don't listen to me, it's just an observation.
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RAART
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:44 am Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
The closest mach that I found was Prinzflex that looks identical to lens I have.
Lens I have is in like new condition, no scratches or anything and the best is that I got it for 10$ + tax or 11.30$. While I do wait for adapters to arrive from Hong Kong and afterwords I will take some photos to clarify the quality.
Browsing the net it looks like that this lens was made by Tomioka for Canadian Retail Shop (do not remember the name - refernce is on the net somewhere) which has been purchased by Black's. It has very high quality feel that reminds me on Carl Zeiss lenses for Contax (from West Germany). While someone here mention that one german webpage has some info (I understand, read and write german, but I am not German) I checked there too and it looks like this was indeed made by Tomioka somewhere after Yashica took over and not sure if it was prior Carl Zeiss taking over or afterwards.
Need to do further research on this but serial number who starts with 73 and 4 numbers after should be made by Tomioka for Cosinon.
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ForenSeil
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:01 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Many of these Japanese lenses are looking extremly similar, no matter if Tomioka, Tokina, Konica, Cosina, Yashica...!
So only saying it looks similar to my XXmm FXX made by XX is not reliable
I guess they got their parts for casing from the same supplier
Here's another example of similar looking lenses from another thread (left is Tokina, right is Komine)
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http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=25145
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Mos6502
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
If you look closely you can see the mount is identical to the lens I posted. Note the position of the screws relative to the aperture pin, as well as the pins that are part of the internal workings of the aperture - and the position of the auto/manual switch. They even appear to the have an identical aperture ring.
A Japanese site gave the maker as Tomioka, assuming that is correct then your lens is almost certainly also one. |
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RAART
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:58 am Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
They do look similar but the aperture ring is reversed, if you look closely... Casing might be the same but internals I don`t think so.
| ForenSeil wrote: |
Many of these Japanese lenses are looking extremly similar, no matter if Tomioka, Tokina, Konica, Cosina, Yashica...!
So only saying it looks similar to my XXmm FXX made by XX is not reliable
I guess they got their parts for casing from the same supplier
Here's another example of similar looking lenses from another thread (left is Tokina, right is Komine) |
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RAART
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
I believe that you are right... Anyway I didn`t pay a fortune for it and if the picture quality is good it does not matter from where or who was making them.. 
I guess that I do need to wait for those adapters to arrive...
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If you look closely you can see the mount is identical to the lens I posted. Note the position of the screws relative to the aperture pin, as well as the pins that are part of the internal workings of the aperture - and the position of the auto/manual switch. They even appear to the have an identical aperture ring.
A Japanese site gave the maker as Tomioka, assuming that is correct then your lens is almost certainly also one. |
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Here is the list what I have to trade/sale:
Primes: - Kiron 28mm f2 (C/Y); Vivitar 28mm f2.5 Auto (FD); Minolta MD 50mm f2 (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 35mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 135mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3);
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buerokratiehasser
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
Chinon/Chinonflex?
Reminded me of my Chinon 200/3.5 which I am too lazy to dig out right now. Seems to look like this:
http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20106/2649_AMHP3969s_1.jpg |
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
It's Revuenon i am mentioning above. Only that Revuenon was available with leather grip (usually found on Tomioka branded lenses).
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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dimitrygo wrote:
| Pancolart wrote: |
It could be said that rear is very similar to Tomioka 100mm clones (check last photo on that page where 4x screw is nicely visible): http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=41307&start=15
Question still remains: is Tomioka responsible just for the optics inside the lens and if so for which lenses of the series? Or did Tomioka produce whole series including lens body. |
The lenses in the thread you've linked are not Tomioka but Sun. Here is the Tomioka 100mm f2.8 lens http://forum.mflenses.com/tomioka-100mm-f2-8-t49746.html
The lens in this thread indeed shares some details with other Sun made lenses but on the other hand has some obvious differences with other Sun lens I saw before. For example I never saw Sun lens with exposed retaining ring like this lens has on its front. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Doesn't look like a Sun to me. Looks like a Chinon to me.
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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dimitrygo wrote:
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Doesn't look like a Sun to me. Looks like a Chinon to me.
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Yes, this Chinon is Sun made too. I saw Revuenon exacly identical to this Chinon and I have similar Soligor with only different focus grip. |
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
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| Pancolart wrote: |
It could be said that rear is very similar to Tomioka 100mm clones (check last photo on that page where 4x screw is nicely visible): http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=41307&start=15
Question still remains: is Tomioka responsible just for the optics inside the lens and if so for which lenses of the series? Or did Tomioka produce whole series including lens body. |
The lenses in the thread you've linked are not Tomioka but Sun. Here is the Tomioka 100mm f2.8 lens http://forum.mflenses.com/tomioka-100mm-f2-8-t49746.html
The lens in this thread indeed shares some details with other Sun made lenses but on the other hand has some obvious differences with other Sun lens I saw before. For example I never saw Sun lens with exposed retaining ring like this lens has on its front. |
Interesting. So is the Prinzflex here: http://www.yaotomi.co.jp/blog/used/2009/09/prinzflex-auto-reflex-100mm-f28-m42.html
SUN or Tomioka?
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dimitrygo
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
Then SUN would also be logical solution to Beroflex / Berolina / Elicar / Alpex / Universar silver line:
Click here to see on Ebay
Click here to see on Ebay
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31346469@N07/5223338969/
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RAART
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
This looks also exact like mine but silver... The only thing is that this one does not have extending hood and one I have has one. Same letters, screws position, etc.
Did SUN make it or someone else?
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buerokratiehasser
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
Wow, the "Universar 300/4.5" 's little brother.
The pipe is metal and the rings plastic, I suppose. |
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
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| The lens in this thread indeed shares some details with other Sun made lenses but on the other hand has some obvious differences with other Sun lens I saw before. For example I never saw Sun lens with exposed retaining ring like this lens has on its front. |
Dimitry would you please share some info on your SUN references. It's quite a discovery. There are a lot of lenses that could now be distinguished as SUN. And if i may say these are mostly good to very good lenses.
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RAART
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:21 am Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
Need to modify myself here...
The number 6 on the aperture rings is different, therefore not sure if it is Sun Optical Lens while all Sun made lenses have the same numbers. The good thing is that adapters should be soon here and I can test it.
Here is the list with Sun made lenses: http://www.ephotozine.com/equipment/manuals/Sun-Opt/201
There is no indication about 135mm 3.5 lens there... I am a bit skeptic that Sun made it.
Also the missing collapsible hood is missing on Sun lenses. 
| RAART wrote: |
This looks also exact like mine but silver... The only thing is that this one does not have extending hood and one I have has one. Same letters, screws position, etc.
Did SUN make it or someone else?
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Primes: - Kiron 28mm f2 (C/Y); Vivitar 28mm f2.5 Auto (FD); Minolta MD 50mm f2 (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 35mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 135mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3);
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RAART
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
Just received adapter and here are some samples, taken with Olympus Pen E-PL1, hand-shoot, wide open at 3.5, no PP / straight from camera just resizing:
100% crop
100% crop
Opinions please... Crop of the pictures randomly taken. If everyone wish I can crop others too. Just let me know.
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Primes: - Kiron 28mm f2 (C/Y); Vivitar 28mm f2.5 Auto (FD); Minolta MD 50mm f2 (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 35mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 135mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3);
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Nice samples. I had this lens open & apart. It's Sonnar (Zeiss) copy with thick large chunk of glass inside
that can rarely be found in third party lenses. Here few full frame samples (sorry to steal your topic a bit):
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RAART
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
Taken with Pen E-PL1 stopped at 5.6 with fill-in flash (built)
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