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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:31 pm    Post subject: my first *real* photo shoot, HELP! Reply with quote

This Tuesday I will be taking pictures of two young women, early 20's and
need advice on what to take. They will be doing 2-3 outfit changes. They
like film so will be shooting medium format along with 35mm, and will have
a P&S digital for backup. Any advice would be deeply appreciated. Thanks.


PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: my first *real* photo shoot, HELP! Reply with quote

Katastrofo wrote:
This Tuesday I will be taking pictures of two young women, early 20's and
need advice on what to take.


Champagne Very Happy

just kidding, I don't remember exactly your cameras and lenses, so it's a bit difficult to give advice.
Speaking generally, a fast 50mm and a fast 85mm are two lenses that you will surely find useful for small format.
Also, I don't know what kind of lighting you are planning to use, but a large piece of rigid white cardboard or foam to use as a reflector is always something useful to have at hand in any lighting situation.


PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio, the champagne idea is a good one! Laughing

fast 50's:

1.4/50 AR Hexanon
1.7/50 CZ Planar
1.8/50 Zuiko
1.8/50 Nikon Nikkor

I don't have a fast 85, tho. I have the AR UC Hexanon zoom 4/80-200,
Vivitar Series 1 2.8/28-90 (good lenses, but not fast). What would you
pick from these? I'll be using the Bessa 6x9 mostly for the medium format
as they like the look of those shots.


PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why not the zuiko 75-150, f/4 is fast enough for much


PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nesster wrote:
why not the zuiko 75-150, f/4 is fast enough for much


Hummm, good idea since it is compact, both body and lens. I'm going to
be loaded down as it is.

Was also thinking of taking a 35mm rangefinder...


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

f4 is plenty fast for 20ish Girls well, generally speaking they need no flattering softish focus.
I liked that Port you posted of the snake killer using the 75-150.

Orio may have been joking about the wine but it actually is a good idea to loosen things up.
Herbal refreshments are nice to have on hand as well Wink


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Katastrofo wrote:

I don't have a fast 85, tho. I have the AR UC Hexanon zoom 4/80-200,
Vivitar Series 1 2.8/28-90 (good lenses, but not fast). What would you
pick from these?


I would pick the Vivitar, because it's 1 stop faster than the Hexanon and this will help you with focusing better and with keeping a fast shutter time if shooting in the shade.

From the 50mm lenses I would take the Planar with the 167MT (I seem to remember that you have it), because of the good viewfinder.

P.S. remember to check the batteries of your film cameras before going to the session. I talk from experience, it's very easy to be concerned with the various things (film rolls, lenses, filters, lens hoods, tripod mountpiece) and completely forget about the camera battery which will suddenly stop working in the middle of your first roll and when the shops are distant or closed Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio, I have the 137MA that takes AA batteries, will pack a spare pair. I
was thinking that would be the 50 of choice. Also have the 2.8/135 Yashica
ML lens, but not overly impressed with it. The Nikon FE/MD12 will go with the Series 1 zoom.


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

F16SUNSHINE wrote:
f4 is plenty fast for 20ish Girls well, generally speaking they need no flattering softish focus.
I liked that Port you posted of the snake killer using the 75-150.

Orio may have been joking about the wine but it actually is a good idea to loosen things up.
Herbal refreshments are nice to have on hand as well Wink


Herbal refreshments? Andy, I am no longer in the PNW! Laughing I'll pack the
Oly with that zoom, too, what the heck.


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, the South. Got it Embarassed

Laughing


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Oh yeah, the South. Got it Embarassed

Laughing


Wink


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Changing lenses can ruin the momentum when shooting models. I vote the 28-90 zoom.


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only shot a model once and I found it very difficult. On the basis of my incompetence, here are some observations:

Make sure you plan out in advance what sort of poses you want and what props are needed and have everything ready.

If the outfits include anything that is going to put pressure on their skin - elasticated cuffs, for example - remember that it will leave marks that will stay there for a long time so don't shoot them in something more skimpy afterwards (my model was leaning on some books at one time and the impression remained in her arm for quite some time - it needed cloning out).

Unless you are simultaneously able to think about camera settings, lighting, expressions and poses, give instructions and maintain some cheerful chatter (and if you can do all that, you must be female!) it might be useful to have an assistant who can jolly things along and perhaps even help as a sort of artistic director (I would have been quite lost without my daughter lending a hand).

That's about all I can offer. Good luck!


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best work is done when both photographer and model(s) are relax.

Typical session at Gina&Jieffe's attic, errrr, studio :

The first pictures won't be good, I accept that fact and use it to check lights disposition and exposure.

During the shooting, I make (lots of ) fun of myself ! Better way to get rid of artificial smiles and make a positive experience of the session.

Be verbal ! Try to direct your model(s), show them how you want them to pose when explanations are not clear enough.

Tell them when you like what you see in the viewfinder.

I try to restrict my choice of lenses to 3 or 4 (55m, Tammy 90 for close-up shots, 24/28mm for larger shots, and occasionnaly the new toy Wink ). The lenses are ready on a table, it only take a few seconds to change. If I only could use one lens, it would be a fast 50mm.

It also helps to have a (female) assistant/fellow photographer (I always shoot with my GF).


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

50mm is short in my opinion need to get too close to the model what is pretty disturbing longer zoom like Konica give you more space.

On a good portrait on young woman relaxed environment is more important than anything else so Champaign was good idea really.


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin, Paul, Jieffe, and Attila, thanks for your advice! I checked the
weather for next Tuesday and it calls for rain and 89F for a high. The
shoot will be both indoors and outside and of course the weather can be
completely different from what is forecast.

I think zooms will be my best friend in this first endeavor. I would like to
take my Koni Omega, but it would be a heavy slog to pack that around
with all the rest.

Thanks again, folks.


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attila wrote:
in my opinion need to get too close to the model

That's the idea Laughing

More seriously, 50mm on crop camera, thus 75mm-ish on 135 film.


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone used Provia 400X for a shoot like this? Have a couple rolls in
35mm I could mix in with my other film.


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to do quite a bit of this and enjoyed it, but its been years. I do remember that my favorite lense and the one most pros that I knew used most was a fast 85mm.

How would porta work Bill?


PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron, I plan on shooting some portra in 120, great film.