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Pancolart wrote:
Thank you guys but we really need a senior member's test (i mean someone with at least 100 posts)  .
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I would love to try it out, but where to find one...? 
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Welcome Romil! Nice to see you here!
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aoleg
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The lens is designed by computer softwares. The Optical part looks the same with Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 85/2. I use the lens about 4 months, it's very sharp, even at F2.8.
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The optical design of this Mitakon is a symmetric 6/6, so it's a double-Gauss, or Planar equivalent. Sonnars are highly asymmetric, and the particular Sonnar 85/2 was a triplet derivative with just three lens groups.
Now, I wonder why the designers chose the 6/6 formula. It is used for normal lenses more often than for short teles. If I recall it correctly, the designers of Nikkor-H 85/1.8 went similar route, but used two cemented groups to keep flare under control (single coating were the norm then):
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Aoleg please make some wide-open shots.
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Romil
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Romil wrote:
Sorry, I'm not good at English, but I gonna try my best.
the optical part looks the same with Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 85/2, 6/6 formula. I post a picture to show how the formula looks like.
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Romil
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Romil wrote:
the formula on the box is a kind of graphic design, it's not the formula of this lens.
Designers say that cemented groups may cause some problems. for this lens, flare are under control becouse of the multi coatings.
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aoleg
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aoleg wrote:
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Sorry, I'm not good at English, but I gonna try my best.
the optical part looks the same with Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 85/2, 6/6 formula. I post a picture to show how the formula looks like.
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I see what you mean. This "Sonnar" is actually double-Gouss, or Planar design. The "Sonnar" part is just a trademark, which is misused here I believe. Thus the Mitakon lens is actually a classic double-Gauss, Planar type design.
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i did a brief 100% crop comparison of 3 lenses.
100% crop Helios 44-2
100% crop Mitakon 85mm F2
100% crop Tamron 17-50mm F2.8
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calvin83
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calvin83 wrote:
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i did a brief 100% crop comparison of 3 lenses.
100% crop Helios 44-2
100% crop Mitakon 85mm F2
100% crop Tamron 17-50mm F2.8
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Welcome! Thanks you for your comparison.
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8310
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I guess it is only PK-mount for Pentax, not PK-A? |
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woodrim
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aoleg: Have you had time to take some test shots? It seems to me that the Jupiter 9 is a good lens to compare with at price point and f/2.
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aoleg
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| aoleg: Have you had time to take some test shots? It seems to me that the Jupiter 9 is a good lens to compare with at price point and f/2. |
Didn't go out with it yet, can only post a few test (meaning: test) shots. Click for larger size. 2nd image demonstrates field curvature. All three taken wide open. It's still evident that the lens is quite soft wide open, but has nice contrast and colors (and huge field curvature).
Compared to Jupiter-9, the Jupiter retains more fine detail wide open (meaning higher spatial resolution), while the Mitakon has much higher contrast. Field curvature is much better controlled with the Jupiter, too. Bokeh is subjective; it's more predictable (and smoother) with the Mitakon.
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Pancolart wrote:
Thank you Aoleg. Huh, huh, it's so hard to find positive sides based on samples. When you manage please take it out for a walk.
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8310
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| I guess it is only PK-mount for Pentax, not PK-A? |
Just did some research myself and apparently it actually is PK-A. Besides, there seems to be a silver version availiable. 
http://www.cnpentax.com/thread-1484-1-1.html |
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calvin83
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calvin83 wrote:
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| I guess it is only PK-mount for Pentax, not PK-A? |
Just did some research myself and apparently it actually is PK-A. Besides, there seems to be a silver version availiable.
http://www.cnpentax.com/thread-1484-1-1.html |
The silver version is the pre-order version.
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tkbslc
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tkbslc wrote:
I'd like to see a portrait with the lens. I would bet that is what most people by fast 85's for. Some of that softness wide open might actually be a good thing.
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aoleg
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aoleg wrote:
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| I'd like to see a portrait with the lens. I would bet that is what most people by fast 85's for. Some of that softness wide open might actually be a good thing. |
Will do and post one... I promise...
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Romil
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Romil wrote:
hi, folks. I'm sorry that I was too busy these days to post some pics for you. I will post them here this week.
And now, a new product is coming out, Mitakon 35mm F2.0 made in China.
I gonna post some pics by this lens today.
All pics are wide open F2.0 test.
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Romil
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Romil wrote:
This lens will be a 1:1 micro lens.
Go on with wide open, F2.0
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Romil
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Romil wrote:
Other scenes test.
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Romil
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Romil wrote:
All those pics have been adjusted by Photoshop.
I will provide machine-direct .jpgs if anybody would like to see.
and Mitakon Optics Company will provide all products worldwide via ebay.
I'm going to hold a worldwide-group-buy, and maybe could provide silver version products.
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calvin83
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calvin83 wrote:
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All those pics have been adjusted by Photoshop.
I will provide machine-direct .jpgs if anybody would like to see.
and Mitakon Optics Company will provide all products worldwide via ebay.
I'm going to hold a worldwide-group-buy, and maybe could provide silver version products. |
Thank you Romil for bringing these lenses to all the people over the world.
Please let us know when the silver pre-order version of this lens is avaliable. I will definitely want to buy one.
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aoleg
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aoleg wrote:
Hmm, your sample seems quite a bit sharper than mine. QC variation or Mitakon has improved the performance of this lens?
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